Cohen pleads guilty to false statements to Congress about Trump Tower Moscow project
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Earlier moves were thumbtacks compared to this. First nail in the coffin.
Going forward, i suspect Mueller won’t be expecting this Senate to impeach Trump and we are half way through this presidency already anyway. If he can’t go after Trump directly, he can definitely go after Trump Organisation and all it’s filthy minions which is what he’s been doing.
He can start dismantling it and charging those guilty of money laundering, freeze accounts and basically cripple the Trump criminal empire. That process isn’t going to be done in 2 years so when Trump is a private citizen again, he will be fair game for subpoena’s and perjury charges.
As far as the GOP go, if they don’t impeach despite good cause, it will surely be very difficult to support him as a candidate for another term. Especially if there are investigations and prosecutions still ongoing.
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I’d start here:
Who’s been charged
in Mueller-linked
probes, and why
https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...-indictments-timeline/?utm_term=.2c8d65546593
Do you really think all of this is nothing? Are you saying Mueller should just drop the investigation and forget about the whole thing? I’d guess you are more concerned about him finding out the whole truth and laying in front of you. I’d guess many of the right simply don’t want to look into that mirror. You’ve all been taken by a con man. The only thing worse is continuing to be the victim when you know the game.
I think Trump and his whole family are going to rue the day he decided this whole President thing was a good idea. Only he could be so entitled to think all of his baggage wouldn’t eventually catch up to him. Everyone else would have been bright enough to know he’d at some point be exposed. I’m here for the whole long term, messy show. Anyone that doesn’t believe Mueller has a ton on him now is in utter and complete denial.
Thanks. Maybe something they can prove in there somewhere. I wonder why is Trump's connection to foreign wikileaks less legal than Hillary's connection to the foreign dossier?
I don't think you will ever understand nor try to understand it. Even if the proof is dangling right in front of you, you would recognize nor try to recognize it. Blind belief is a strange thing!
A candidate can hire foreign companies to do work for them. In Hillary's case, she hired an American company who then hired a British spy to assist them. Trump hired a British data analytics company to do work for his campaign. Hiring a foreign company is allowed.
But one cannot accept campaign contributions from foreigners. Basically, they can't hire an American politician to work for them. That is the big difference here, it is thought Russia was trying to give aid to Trump to get him elected.
Probably because the Wikileaks stuff was information stolen by a foreign government.
Thank you. I understand of what many hope there to be found evidence. Your explanation requires many assumptions and gives Trump credit for much more guile than I'm willing to concede. I guess if there were proof wikileaks is an arm of the Russian government then you might have something. Seems like political oppo research was conducted by both sides.
No, 12 Russian intelligence agents were indicted for the hell of it
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...arges-trump-department-justice-rod-rosenstein
Some notes about Assange, Ecuador and Russia.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...iplomat-post-in-russia-document-idUSKCN1M12R5
Publishing or otherwise using stolen information is not a crime. (Pentagon papers case) This is to be distinguished from possession of stolen property.
Ultimately Mueller's special investigation will be judged by how he has fulfilled his central charge. There is very little public information about that. Counting up the ham sandwiches he has indicted or how many process pleas he has coerced are a nothingburgers.
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There is an interesting loophole in the law. If Campaign X received a stolen Bughatti from Campaign Y and used it knowing it was stolen, there are laws that might apply. I wonder why IP is treated differently in this regard? It almost encourages IP theft in a campaign.
If you wanted to actually address the current state of play on the legal side this would seem to be a good place to start.
In sum, the draft Mueller document adds materially to the existing record of Trump campaign support for and coordination with the Russian-WikiLeaks scheme to influence the outcome of 2016 presidential election through a program of political sabotage. There is no reason to doubt that more from the Mueller probe is yet to come. What is known already leaves little standing of Donald Trump’s repeated denial of “collusion.” There was collusion, and it occurred in violation of federal law.
Here's a question.
How many documents/videos/comms of the Russian government has Wikileaks ever spilled into the public?
I'll give you a hint...it's a number between 1 and -1.
Collusion has been evident from the beginning. We don't know the extent of it, and we don't know if any laws were violated, but it's obvious that Team Trump colluded with the Russian government to get elected. Until a Republican did it, everyone agreed that this was bad and wrong.
Corsi said he would spend the remainder of his life in jail rather than plead to that statement. Of course anything Corsi says has no cred.
The mistake we continually make is thinking that that the right believes in any principle other than that what helps them is good and right and what hurts them is bad and wrong.
Dragging on so long without getting something concrete? I’d say 30 indictments is a little something concrete. I think it’s quite obvious to everyone who is willing to see that Trump has much more. Dragging on so long compared to what? Benghazi? Whitewater? Watergate? Trump’s crimes are numerous and complicated. There will be investigations for years, even after he has left office. Elect a criminal, don’t be surprised to see this happening.
I have no idea what you are talking about most of the time. I suggest the next time you see that I have made unwarranted assumptions from established events, feel free to to point them out and I will respond with my justifications. Deal?
Others have already explained to you why opposition research is different from knowingly colluding with the illegal activities of a foreign enemy intelligence service to subvert an election. The mere fact that this required an explanation evidences the problem.
More generally, it's tiresome when Trump supporters bring Limbaugh talking points here and claim that this is sufficient to shift the burden to others to clean up the mess. It isn't the sort of thing that people do if they're legitimately trying to find the truth. It's just a waste of time.
We’re getting there. We’re talking about a person involved in many shady things over many shady decades. With dozens of key players involved at different junctures- many of which are foreign, and not accessible to investigators.
And mountains of financial data/ data that’s structured to be as hidden as possible.
The way to take down a criminal organization is to start low, and work your way up the ladder. Mueller is climbing higher every day, and is much higher on those rungs than we know about right now. Just because you don’t know about it, doesn’t mean it’s not there. If you’ve kept up with the filings and happenings, and listened to people that used to do this type of stuff, the bread crumbs are EVERYWHERE.
Don’t forget all the convictions and indictments issued.
And we’re really only a year and half into it. In perspective, the Clinton investigation took 5 years(!), and yielded less.
When you look at it through that lens, you realize that there probably something there. Add in that the political pressure is intense and that if there’s nothing there, Mueller’s team wouldn’t be doing the things they are doing, and you realize that this is deadly serious for Trump.
Reading between the lines in the Cohen plea today reveals that this is much further along than we realized- and that Trump was still trying to do business with the Russians (everything is essentially state controlled) WHEN HE WAS THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE. That’s unprecedented. And should never happen. Yet it did. Link that with Trump’s absolute refusal to attack Russia/Putin, while he attacks literally everyone that hurts his fragile, small child like ego, and you realize something is seriously amiss.
I’ll give Trump some twisted credit for his PR battle on Mueller and the investigation. He’s gone on the attack, and he’s had help from conservative media that’s eager to adopt the tribe’s posture that the whole thing is a witch hunt. They’ve either ignored some of the bread crumbs, or minimized the importance of them.
Just trying to help you understand where I’m coming from Hillz. I tend to think that there’s too much smoke for there to not be fire, and there’s way too many coincidences for nothing to be there.
Plus, the more Trump denies something (many times unprompted), the more it isn’t true. I’m not a psychologist- but I did study BAI (deception detection) for several years, and practiced it in a job for five years. Trump is incredibly easy to read. I’ll give you a few hints on his “tells”. The more he protests something, again, often unprompted, the more likely it is to be untrue. Also, if he sniffs right after he says something, it’s almost certainly a lie.
And he’s obsessed with demonizing the Mueller probe right now. Much more than normal. People might say he’s just “counterpunching”, but this goes beyond how he normally reacts. He’s learned that the more you say something, even if untrue, the more people believe it. There’s literally only one thing he’s good at- manipulating people’s beliefs. And it’s taken him all the way to the White House.
It all adds up for me. But, I’ll defer to whatever Mueller finds. Obviously I suspect that it’ll be really bad for Trump, but if it isn’t, I’ll accept it and move on.
Let’s face it- all of this is mere speculation. Sure, we can postulate based off what’s out there, but none of us know- and to say otherwise is just lying to yourself.
I will say this- if you’re getting your info from Rush, it’s worse than getting no info at all. It’s straight up propoganda, designed to fire people up & cover for republicans (but especially Trump and his team).
I’d encourage you to start seeking out other sources, especially ones that quote former national security federal government employees. Those guys have been all over this, because they know the signs of foreign interference & how different countries try to co-opt Americans. I’d trust those guys any day over a guy like Rush, or even an equivalent person on the left.
I’d suggest you start by checking out the twitter feed of Malcolm Nance. Or Evan McMullen, if you only want a republican’s view. The point is, there’s plenty of info out there- but you have to remove yourself from your bubble to see it.
And if you have an Apple phone, I’d strongly suggest you start reading stuff from Apple news. It’ll give you sources from all over the spectrum.
But until you start taking in other sources, you’re not going to “get it”. Just trying to help a brother out.
In the meantime let's discuss every possible facet of any possible charge, spread gossip and hearsay, the unimpeachable testimony of pornstars and Twitter tweeters, leak after leak, but ignore the single point that there has been almost no evidence presented which supports any of this speculation from an identifiable, reliable source.
Sope came closest to admitting this when he suggested we wait till the report comes out. So, Sope and I will wait. It seems hard for the rest of you.
I agree with basically everything you have written, except, the bread crumbs thing...it is more like loaves of bread.
Haha. Obstruction, collusion, money laundering, lying under oath in answers to Mueller.
You need to read the charging information Mueller has filed throughout the various cases. He is writing his report. Have you read the Cohen filing from yesterday? It is chock full of very specific information.
Admitting you listen to Rush has cost you a ton of credibility on this board. It’s right wing propaganda and conspiracy theories. If you are in the car, find your local NPR station. You will get (1) news, (2) facts and (3) no one will be yelling at you.
It's easy to find the left POV it's inescapable. Rush is an entertainer, and I enjoy listening to his show. He's way more supportive of Trump than I could ever be. Nearly every other source of news and information seems invested in trying to bring Trump down. That's not journalism, it's activism.
If sincere, I appreciate your willingness to accept the outcome of the investigation. I hope we get our questions answered sooner than later.
So real news outlets reporting of the terrible and corrupt things the Trump administration does is “activism”, but Rush is just good ole fashioned entertainment? Wow.
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