as his attorneys leave him. This looks significant. https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-law...perate-attorneys-leave-case/story?id=55861988 Why would his attorneys leave at this late date? He has said he expects to be arrested very soon.
Cohen likely to cooperate
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It's often the wife. "Do you want to abandon me and your own children to protect (insert target here)?!?!"
You hold out as long as you can, but the calculus always favors cooperation.
You hold out as long as you can, but the calculus always favors cooperation.
Here is the thing you have to ask yourself if you're a trump defender,when it comes to people like Cohen,Manafort,Gates etc...and the notion of "flipping".What exactly does "cooperating" and "flipping" mean,with regards to Trump?If they cooperate with Mueller to Trump's detriment,what exactly does that say about Trump's supposed guilt or innocence?
It boils down to, if Trump is "innocent" what possible harm can any of these folks bring his way?If Cohen tells everything he knows regarding Trump-how can that hurt Trump-if he's INNOCENT?If Trump is innocent,then by definition he has NOTHING to worry about,right?
Do people who continue to defend Trump honestly think that people like Cohen,Manafort,Flynn etc... are going to manufacture evidence and create a false narrative incriminating a totally innocent Trump to try and save themselves?Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of Trump's history knows he is no stranger to criminal activity.Right?
Generally, this means either one of a few things.
1) his legal team feels like he’s been less than honest with them. This creates an unavoidable conflict, one that can not be resolved in the representation. Attorneys always have an obligation to defend their client zealously, and sometimes know that their clients aren’t good folks. However, when a breakdown in trust happens, it’s over.
2) they aren’t getting paid, and realize that they have a LOT more work to do with even less chance of getting paid
3) the case is much more complex, and involves subject matter areas that the existing legal team doesn’t have expertise within. Usually this is remedied by bringing in additional counsel with expertise in the additional subject matter areas.
4) a conflict arose that was unforseeable prior to the time they started representing Cohen. That happens from time to time.
5) it’s alway possible that the legal team had a change of heart, for any reason. It’s a free country, after all. Nothing says they must continue to repsrsent Cohen.
Fellow attorneys- did I lose anything?
If this is true- so far ABC is the only one reporting it- it’s possibly the biggest news yet in the whole Trump saga. It’s pretty clear now that Cohen wasn’t really acting as an attorney for Trump- he served the role of “fixer”. If things were completely on the up and up, I’m not sure why one would ever need a fixer. Of over a million documents reviewed so far, less than 200 have been identified as being protected by attorney client privilege. That means there must’ve been a whole lot of “fixing” going on.
The two actions aren’t technically related right now (Mueller probe and Cohen indictments). But it would defy reason of there wasn’t a lot of overlap ultimately.
I’ve often said that financial misconduct will ultimately be the thing that brings Trump down. He simply had money coming in from nefarious sources, and really didn’t care about the background of those sources. Remember one if the Trump boys claiming a few years ago that “a disproportionate share of our assets” involve Russia/Russians? Cohen had many ties to them also. Having financial leverage would be perhaps the easiest way to exploit Trump- other than maybe some pee pee tapes
.I fully believe Cohen flipping sets the end game in motion if true.
Although we still have the "Are you going to believe a rat like Michael Cohen or the President of the United States?" phase to go through. Coming soon to HANNITY on Fox!
Although we still have the "Are you going to believe a rat like Michael Cohen or the President of the United States?" phase to go through. Coming soon to HANNITY on Fox!
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Yes, people who hate Trump enough to believe all of the fake news bullshit that the left wing media puts out. Thy will all believe Trump is guilty of every accusation that has ever been made against him by said press.
I see only two likely reasons: money and/or he had decided to take a different tact (e.g., cooperate). I guess that’s theee reasons.
Generally, this means either one of a few things.
1) his legal team feels like he’s been less than honest with them. This creates an unavoidable conflict, one that can not be resolved in the representation. Attorneys always have an obligation to defend their client zealously, and sometimes know that their clients aren’t good folks. However, when a breakdown in trust happens, it’s over.
2) they aren’t getting paid, and realize that they have a LOT more work to do with even less chance of getting paid
3) the case is much more complex, and involves subject matter areas that the existing legal team doesn’t have expertise within. Usually this is remedied by bringing in additional counsel with expertise in the additional subject matter areas.
4) a conflict arose that was unforseeable prior to the time they started representing Cohen. That happens from time to time.
5) it’s alway possible that the legal team had a change of heart, for any reason. It’s a free country, after all. Nothing says they must continue to repsrsent Cohen.
Fellow attorneys- did I lose anything?
If this is true- so far ABC is the only one reporting it- it’s possibly the biggest news yet in the whole Trump saga. It’s pretty clear now that Cohen wasn’t really acting as an attorney for Trump- he served the role of “fixer”. If things were completely on the up and up, I’m not sure why one would ever need a fixer. Of over a million documents reviewed so far, less than 200 have been identified as being protected by attorney client privilege. That means there must’ve been a whole lot of “fixing” going on.
The two actions aren’t technically related right now (Mueller probe and Cohen indictments). But it would defy reason of there wasn’t a lot of overlap ultimately.
I’ve often said that financial misconduct will ultimately be the thing that brings Trump down. He simply had money coming in from nefarious sources, and really didn’t care about the background of those sources. Remember one if the Trump boys claiming a few years ago that “a disproportionate share of our assets” involve Russia/Russians? Cohen had many ties to them also. Having financial leverage would be perhaps the easiest way to exploit Trump- other than maybe some pee pee tapes
Attorneys always shy away from high profile cases and are super extra conservative about their qualifications. They are basically void of any ego and defend the righteous regardless of optics. Everyone knows this.
I know this doesn't add a whole lot to the conversation, but I thought it was funny and felt it could be couched here without adding a new thread:
I could just imagine an earlier conversation between Cohen and Trump, resembling the scene between characters, "Ricky Roma" (Al Pacino) and "George Aronow" (Alan Arkin) in the movie, "Glen Garry Glen Ross."
George ( Cohen): "When I talk to police I get nervous "
Ricky (Trump): "You know who doesn't? Thieves."
George ( Cohen): "When I talk to police I get nervous "
Ricky (Trump): "You know who doesn't? Thieves."
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Not true. Your opening is an illogical sentence fragment, in fact. People who oppose Trump are probably convinced that he's guilty of only some of the things said about him, not "every accusation." It only takes one crime to get rid of him, so there's no need to spend energy believing all of them.
Can't imagine why Sarah Sanders wore this outfit in public.I know this doesn't add a whole lot to the conversation, but I thought it was funny and felt it could be couched here without adding a new thread:
The first sign of the breakup of a great relationship:
So if ever there was an early sign that Cohen will flip...
So if ever there was an early sign that Cohen will flip...
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Sounds very Trumpian. Just needs to add Witch Hunt at the end!
From the way Stormy Daniels described Trump it might be accurate to term Cohen’s work as “small legal work”.Oh, he was just some guy who loitered in the room... a friend of the coffee boy to be honest.
Oh, he was just some guy who loitered in the room... a friend of the coffee boy to be honest.
That’s just Trump for ya. All class, all honesty, all day.
We should hit back with the Iran-Contra thing and Teapot Dome.I fully believe Cohen flipping sets the end game in motion if true.
Although we still have the "Are you going to believe a rat like Michael Cohen or the President of the United States?" phase to go through. Coming soon to HANNITY on Fox!
In light of what has been said or done the past two years, it shouldn't come as much of a surprise.
Nope, but I'm willing to at least consider the possibility that the material Cohen brings forward may be true.
I know this is a difficult concept for you, but when an anti-Trump witness like Cohen says something you don't like and the mainstream media (which includes Fox News) reports what he said, it is not a fake report but instead is a truthful report.
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