Gunn is simply awful. In his second season in college, he shoots more bricks and rim clangers than is believable. Just awful.
CJ Gunn
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He is what he is, what many said all summer. An Archie Miller 3star commit. I hope he proves me wrong.
I think you're only talking on one end of the floor, and mostly about 1 thing: 3 pt shooting. I thought he was our best perimeter defender yesterday and has quick feet and hands and does the best job of anyone we have of staying in front of his man. He had 4 steals yesterday. Take away the 3s and he was 2-4 from the field and 3-4 from the line.
If I was coaching him, I'd sit him down and encourage him to stop worrying about 3s and just focus on bringing energy, being a complete player and take what the D gives him. But only shoot 3s he's confident of and stepping in to. I think he's in his own head on 3s, so try and get him productive in other areas, and see if his 3 pt shooting comes around.
I agree that you can't give up on him....or on MM. But he's now 2 for 28 career wise...7.1%. So the best thing you said is only shoot wide open 3s for the time being.
Yep but I was told he improved so much we did not need a grad transfer guard. The guy cannot hit the broadside of a barn with his three point shot.
Maybe, just maybe, CJ turned a corner last night? If for anything else, his defense has vastly improved. Also, without him, we probably don't win that game.
His defense is very Greg Graham like.
I have confidence the elite shooting IU has on the coaching staff will continue to yield positive results for CJ and the other young shooters on this ball club.
I have confidence the elite shooting IU has on the coaching staff will continue to yield positive results for CJ and the other young shooters on this ball club.
I think he might be FINALLY starting to get it. His made 3's showed better form and his defense is starting to improve immensely. His game showed maturity last night and he needs more PT to continue to feel comfortable. He can be a huge asset if he continues to mature and play to his capabilities.
He was balling last night. My only criticism is that he and TG have to finish that 2 on 1. I’m thinking that his lob was good, but TG blew it. Although I’d rather not risk a lob to TG on what should be an easy 2 on 1 finish. Also, shortly after - CJ had another break, but ended it with an awkward euro step. He got hit in the face, but with his size and athletic ability, that has to be an easy finish.
Coach Tonsoni at the Assembly Call made a point last night. When Gunn hits a 3 he doesn't jump as high. When he jumps high he puts more arc on the ball and when he doesn't jump then the shot is more flatter. I hope he starts to get it because the ball has to go in. I will say this from the 3 pt shot Mgbako has the purest shot on the team.
Made me chuckle when I heard that, because I've been saying for over a year he jumps too high on his shot. Coach Geez assured me that's not the case, so I thought it was funny that he said that. Look, we're never going to be a great 3 pt shooting team. We need all our "shooters" (MM, KW, TG, CJ, XJ, GC and KB) to be opportunistic and be ready to take good 3s and let them fly to keep teams honest. If we take good shots, we'll be OK and make 30-35% and if we don't take them and get forced 3s, or having a bad shooting night, we're going to shoot under 30%.
I do not know if I would leave big-man defense to go out on the perimeter for a low 30% 3 pt shooting team.
Shooting form is all about repeatability and consistency. There is nothing wrong with elevating on your jump shot. Some of the greatest shot makers in the history of basketball all had great elevation on their jump shots; Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Pete Maravich just to name a few.
Geez I don't think any of them elevated like CJ. on their jump shots, he literally is 2 and half to 3 feet off the ground sometimes when he shoots. the 2 3s last night he did not do that. him and Galloway last night did remind me of Tamar, absolutely blew up around 3 break attempts that should have been simple conversions. I don't think Tamar ever converted a break that was contested in anyway.
I watched Gunn score 2000 points in high school with the same form. He's not missing shots because he's "jumping too high".
I'm sure he didn't shoot 6 percent from 3 in high school and score 2000 points. small sample but from what I've seen he shoots better when he doesn't elevate as much. bottom line the kid is an athlete and can be very valuable if he continues to progress, I don't care if he sticks a pogo stick up his ass or lays on the ground when he shoots as long as he hits them.
that is a damn good Comparision he did jump high on his shots.
Good point. It does layer in another potential cause for inaccuracy, though, if he's speeding up his shot for the college game. I'm confident he'll work it out. He said the right thing in his interview last night, he was going to take the next one regardless of whether he made the first.
Watch MJ shoot 3s, didn't elevate at all like he did on his "regular" shots. I'll grant you Pistol and Kobe... now, ask yourself who might not belong in the group of CJ Gunn, Pistol Pete and Kobe? I agree it's about repeatability and consistency, and most good shooters over time didn't elevate on "set" type, non-moving shots. Anyway, I think it's a problem for him and he can help himself by developing a simpler shot and not elevating so high. It was just ironic that the guy on Assembly Call commented along the same lines. I think he just said he shoots better when he releases the ball a little earlier in his shot/jump.
Admittedly, I haven't broken down any game film of Gunn while at IU. If I had to guess, Gunn is missing shots because there's no consistency on his release point...he's rushing shots because of a total lack of confidence, not because he's "jumping too high".
Here's a nearly 4 minute clip of Gunn "jumping high" on his set shots. Fluid motion straight up and consistent high release point.
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He doesn't jump too high, exactly, he more reloads or holds his shot sometimes instead of releasing at the apex. It becomes two motions with too much arm, instead of one single fluid motion. Plus he floats all over the place when he does that. That's fine with two-point attempts in the lane when he's adjusting for defensive pressure but not on open three attempts..When he does cock it, it ends up being flat with too much spin. He needs to get under the ball and release at the apex in one single motion. His second 3 last night was a perfect shot, released at the apex with very little spin and a much better arc. His first one had a lot of spin on it and was a bit flat ...
That's more what the Assembly Call guy said. Watching the video that CG linked, I actually think his form looked better in HS, and was very fluid, and maybe I'm seeing what I want to see, but I don't think he was elevating like he does at IU. But, I also stand by the fact that good college shooters don't shoot 36% on 3s in HS, especially a guy as athletically gifted as CJ, because the line is closer and defenders are going to shade the drive and give him better looks than he's going to get in college. I like CJ and what he did Tuesday I think is the key for him: don't worry so much about 3s, use your athletic abilities to make plays at both ends, and take good open 3s you're confident in and he'll be fine. He can contribute in so many ways and focusing only on making 3s just puts too much pressure on him I believe.
And, don't get me wrong, on this team I want anyone out of CJ, GC, MM, TG, and KW taking good open looks from 3 that they are confident of and stepping in to, because we don't have a knock down guy. A good shooting night for us is often going to come down to one of those guys "being on" with their shot, and them recognizing it while someone who doesn't feel it, doesn't look to shoot. A successful night from the 3 pt line for this team probably is 6-8 makes and better than 33% shooting.
Been a long time since anyone referenced Dr Dunkenstein.
I had his poster on my wall with him wearing the lab coat and the half a basketball with smoke/steam rolling in each hand.
Right next to the Iceman sitting on that block ice throne.
my college roomie/best friend from HS had that Iceman poster and worshipped Gervin. At the time, I was a Dr J guy.
Now I have Kenny Loggins' "This is it" stuck in my head all morning (let's see if the old guys remember that reference to the 1980 tourney).
Hilarious. I had the same two. Plus Moses Malone walking through a court made to look like the dessert with the rod in his hand in the shape of the Nike swoosh.
I’m not sure The Iceman got enough credit for how great he really was. He never missed.
right next to Farrah in her one piece with her head back smiling...
also for the youngsters (not a man over 50 who doesn't remember this poster!)
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Not even close to the same type of player
as smooth as anyone. He and David Thompson were absolute scoring machines.
If I remember well, Iceman had a great midrange bank shot from the wing. Just like Kitchel and Wittman did at IU. Don't see much of that today. Just like the hook shot....longer bank shots apparently are no longer cool.
The silver lining of X being out is the development we are seeing of both Cupps and CJ. Cupps did a nice job defensively on a superior athlete Tuesday.
Man that’s the best analysis of Gunn shooting issues I’ve read. Well done!
Ware shot a hook against MI and made it. At his height, he would be unstoppable down low if he used this more. I cannot understand why a guy like Ware wouldn’t perfect this.
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