This is not too much too ask for. Some of you guys think these look like stripper pictures. It's not creepy at all. We just don't want our girls dressed in burkas anymore.
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God, this whole thread sucks. I can’t believe it’s gone on so long. Mods should cut it off now. An embarrassing waste of time.I mentioned this before, and most people agreed, but it was during the off-season, so I'm not sure of the sample size, so I'll ask your thoughts again.
Like everyone on this board, I watch several college basketball games on t.v. everyday.
I've always noticed how our cheerleaders wear "very conservative" outfits. (Turtlenecks, no bare midriffs, hardly any skin showing, mostly "cute" girls)
I am all for tradition, but our girls look like they are stuck in 1958. (Believe me, I totally get the "class" factor, the non-sleaziness, and the fact that our cheerleaders win national competitions all the time.) And I totally understand IU for "standing pat" in this day and age of "skin sells."
However, I can't help but think that we need to change a bit with the times. When a potential recruit sees us on t.v. or comes to a game in the dead of winter, are we doing enough to entice him? Bloomington had some of the best looking co-eds when I was a student there two decades ago. This does not translate to our cheerleaders; who are "the face of the female student body" when IU is shown on t.v. during hoop games.
Again, I respect what they do, and they are not unattractive, but can we at least make them a little more provocative for our potential recruits? Do we even have a dance team who shows bare arms?
I'm not saying that cheerleaders are the only reason why a basketball player chooses a school. Heck, that's probably not even .0001% of the reason why. As a high school AD, I tend to know how impressionable 17-year old boys think.
I'm not asking for UCLA, USC, or Oregon. I just want us to get out of the 1950's. I know it sounds crazy, but the conservative nature of our "image" might be hurting us a little. It's 2018.
Would I like to see an alternative basketball uniform every now and then? Yes, but not too often. Do we need names on the back of our jerseys? Probably not. I just know that image and style means a lot these days to kids.
Would I like to see our student section right at midcourt, down low, going nuts, right where the television has the main camera of the court? Yes. (Like Michigan and Michigan State, Ohio State, and most others do)
My point is that if we make some small changes here and there, and at least attempt to keep up with the times a bit more, than I think the overall product- IU Basketball- will improve.
By the way, I love the Archie hire. When he brings in his kids and gets them to buy into his defensive-minded approach, I think we will be a perennial Top 10 team again.
I just want to give IU a little "nudge" into the 21st century. (And yes, I'm aware of the facility updates. And they are fantastic)
So, question for all of us IU fans: What is one thing you would change "off the court" in order to help the IU hoop program? Beer at home games? Students seated lower? Cheerleaders outfits from this century? Uniform tweak? Better non-conference schedule?
Thanks.
They do look uncomfortable when the weather is really hot at football games.We are the only major college program in the country that is sick and dresses our girls up in turtlenecks like 6-year olds.
God, this whole thread sucks. I can’t believe it’s gone on so long. Mods should cut it off now. An embarrassing waste of time.
Here’s the thing — let the cheerleaders and their parents decide what the uniforms should look like.
That’s not what he said. He was talking about college girls like they are pieces of meat to throw at recruits. It’s creepy.Long-time lurker here, but first-time poster.
Give the OP a break. All he made was suggestions to try to attract the recruits of today and the future. It's the same as updating facilities. Update the damn outfits. It couldn't hurt!
For at least the fourth time, if they want new uniforms, great. A bunch of middle-aged men discussing how best to use college girls to entice male recruits is unbelievably creepy and inappropriate. Why are we still talking about this?Parents should decide? Who does that? Jeezuz I showed my wife this thread last night and my 17 year old daughter. They both agreed IU is outdated! I bet if you asked the girls at IU (who really matter) they might be all for cool new stuff... The guys wear all these cool new uni's do you really think girls are that different? They are probably 10 times more to say bring it on and bring a variety! They are girls! You ever shop with your daughters?
I'm a parent and old too but I remember my youth. It doesn't matter guy or gal get with the times! God forbid someone state an opinion around here without getting their head bashed in...
This is not too much too ask for. Some of you guys think these look like stripper pictures. It's not creepy at all. We just don't want our girls dressed in burkas anymore.
For the love of God, stop. It’s weird.
I never said anything about enticing male recruits. For the 2nd time quit stating crap I did not say! I said the uniforms look outdated and my wife and daughter agreed. I also provided examples in a classy way. Its a chat board RBB sorry (NOT) your rivals haughty has been offended.For at least the fourth time, if they want new uniforms, great. A bunch of middle-aged men discussing how best to use college girls to entice male recruits is unbelievably creepy and inappropriate. Why are we still talking about this?
I’m sure there have been threads on here about big recruiting weekends and various comments about hoping the weather is great with plenty of coeds laying out in bikinis to provide good scenery for the recruits. I don’t recall anyone commenting about those being inappropriate comments or ripping the pervy old dudes making such comments. I guess that’s somehow different than all the righteous folks trying to rip you a new one about this thread?I never said anything about enticing male recruits. For the 2nd time quit stating crap I did not say! I said the uniforms look outdated and my wife and daughter agreed. I also provided examples in a classy way. Its a chat board RBB sorry (NOT) your rivals haughty has been offended.
Yea...I remember when Tronti visited. I told my brother to tell my niece to get a bunch of girlfriends and walk by and say hey. He thought it was a great idea. Anyways...I’m sure there have been threads on here about big recruiting weekends and various comments about hoping the weather is great with plenty of coeds laying out in bikinis to provide good scenery for the recruits. I don’t recall anyone commenting about those being inappropriate comments or ripping the pervy old dudes making such comments. I guess that’s somehow different than all the righteous folks trying to rip you a new one about this thread?
Is the whole court visible from up there?Back in 86 two friends and I attended the Michigan/ IU game. We had to sit in the last row of the balcony in the corner. And we were glad to be there. Do you think big screen tvs are one reason why people today do not have to be at the game?
You seriously need to read the OP again.I never said anything about enticing male recruits. For the 2nd time quit stating crap I did not say! I said the uniforms look outdated and my wife and daughter agreed. I also provided examples in a classy way. Its a chat board RBB sorry (NOT) your rivals haughty has been offended.
When a potential recruit sees us on t.v. or comes to a game in the dead of winter, are we doing enough to entice him? . . . I respect what they do, and they are not unattractive, but can we at least make them a little more provocative for our potential recruits?
No one is forcing you to post.For at least the fourth time, if they want new uniforms, great. A bunch of middle-aged men discussing how best to use college girls to entice male recruits is unbelievably creepy and inappropriate. Why are we still talking about this?
Blow them up bigger...will take you longer to alternate up to their face from their turtleneck top...I like it when our cheerleaders smile, it looks much better in the snap shots that I blow up and hang on my wall.
Too often they have a resting face and it ruins the whole picture.
Put your self back in your body at that age. A recruit comes to Indiana sees a b-ball game what do you think a 17 year old kid is watching the gad damn basketball game? Think about it. I know damn well at that age I'm ribbing the recruit next to me going damn check that out (cheerleaders, chicks in the stands etc.etc.). Meanwhile at an Oregon game the recruits are prolly going holy sh*t where do I sign. jus saying. If your that blind to your past then I'm sorry you have forgot it.You seriously need to read the OP again.
Here is the portion that upset many, including myself:
Again, if IU’s cheer squad requests to “upgrade” their outfits, fine. But to suggest we “entice” recruits by making young ladies “more provocative” demeans them to nothing more than a piece of meat.
It’s outrageous.
It’s totally out of line.
Would you be ok with your 17-year old daughter being dressed “more provocative” in order to entice someone to come play for IU? THAT’S what the OP was suggesting. THAT’S why so many on here are upset with his post.
Put your self back in your body at that age. A recruit comes to Indiana sees a b-ball game what do you think a 17 year old kid is watching the gad damn basketball game? Think about it. I know damn well at that age I'm ribbing the recruit next to me going damn check that out (cheerleaders, chicks in the stands etc.etc.). Meanwhile at an Oregon game the recruits are prolly going holy sh*t where do I sign. jus saying. If your that blind to your past then I'm sorry you have forgot it.
If you’re 18-21 years old, I can understand you thinking that way. At that age, the little head too often does more thinking than the big head.Put your self back in your body at that age. A recruit comes to Indiana sees a b-ball game what do you think a 17 year old kid is watching the gad damn basketball game? Think about it. I know damn well at that age I'm ribbing the recruit next to me going damn check that out (cheerleaders, chicks in the stands etc.etc.). Meanwhile at an Oregon game the recruits are prolly going holy sh*t where do I sign. jus saying. If your that blind to your past then I'm sorry you have forgot it.
Yes. There isn’t a seat in the entire arena where the whole court is not visible.Is the whole court visible from up there?
Idk abt that...if you mean you can see the out of bounds lines fron every seat...I think you may be wrong.Yes. There isn’t a seat in the entire arena where the whole court is not visible.
If you’re 18-21 years old, I can understand you thinking that way. At that age, the little head too often does more thinking than the big head.
But the OP isn’t 18-21. He graduated in 1994 - putting him at (at least) 42. Worse, he said he was an AD. I’d hate to think of him being the athletic director at our school.
When you’re young, you’re possibly gonna think like that. When you’re middle-aged (and an administrator over HS kids), making the kind of statements he did is wrong. One day you’ll have kids and then you’ll understand.
Yeah, a lot of what was said in the OP was unfortunately glossed over by all the comments.I have 7 kids and 3 grandkids...
Yup I agree and did not realize he said he was a high school A.D. which is f*cked up! I re-read the original post and missed that. Thank you for making that clear Tas!!! Wish someone else would have pointed that out.
Idk abt that...if you mean you can see the out of bounds lines fron every seat...I think you may be wrong.
Another 31 years to a National Title? Our cheer outfits certainly ain't helping.
The OP . . . specifically said he works with high school atheltes
You guys are so outdated and such homers.
That is one thing you cannot lay at the feet of the cheerleaders!Another 31 years to a National Title?
If you look at the Oregon cheerleaders (or any other major college) and then look at how conservative IU's are dressed, it's night and day. Where do you think a potential recruit is going to go?
The OP was talking about potential recruits, NOT himself or any other 45-year old. He specifically said that. He said he works with high school atheltes, so I'm pretty sure he knows how they think and what they talk about.
As a high school AD, I tend to know how impressionable 17-year old boys think.
If that is true, then why isn't Oregon raking in the 5* recruits?
Cheerleaders weren't the reason. NIKE was the reason.Oregon does rake in 5 star recruits. For awhile when Chip was there they darn near cornered the market!
Yea and I'm sure there were some bagmen around too. Some of the guys they were getting in there were mind boggling.Cheerleaders weren't the reason. NIKE was the reason.
To hot in Texas to wear parkas.Even Texas CHRISTIAN University. 'Nuff said.
Is the whole court visible from up there?
And you think that’s because of the cheerleaders?Oregon does rake in 5 star recruits. For awhile when Chip was there they darn near cornered the market!
When is the last time you actually attended a sporting event in person? There are chairs on the sidelines at pretty much every arena in existence this point. And honestly I have no idea what you’re even complaining about. What part of the court am I missing here?i don't think you can see all the out of bounds lines from any seat in the arena, other than the 1st row of chairs.
those chairs have no business being there, and the fact that they're highly monetized doesn't change that.
remove them and you'll still have a "court side" first row. it will just be a couple feet back, where everyone else in the arena can now actually see all the out of bounds lines again.