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Rip us to shreds? You mean like you do your girlfriend every night. And here is a nice pic of you two just prior to attending the last game. I see you were wearing your Tom Crean Replica Coaching shirt for the occasion.
IU has been to two F4s since '87, but who's counting.@Tony Warwick:
Thanks in part to Crean, those teams are not IU's peers, they have surpassed us.
Furthermore, IU has been to one final four since 1987. It is abundantly clear Crean is not the coach to hang another title banner at IU.
I named those schools because they have achieved far greater success than IU has under Crean....doing it without WWW and Boo Williams.
It's like we are watching the movie 'Blue Chips' live!
Well that was easy you just named 4 programs that have not one a championship Since 1941, the other 3 never have........... Real Blue Bloods you got there? So mediocracy is ok now?
@Tony Warwick: you have been severely misinformed at what happened with Irving's recruitment.
With Tony and cav it's more like a GOP debate.......
.....arguing with uninformed, pretentious idiots.
^^^dumb... this guy is^^^
IU has been to two F4s since '87, but who's counting.
Butler has 2, the rest have been mildly successful. Besides Wisky, all play in crap conferences and pad their wins elevating their perceived success. Give Villanova another #1 seed and watch them get bounced early.
Yes, so dumb. Facts suck i realize, fiction is smart around here.
IU is in 1st place....... you don't want mediocre tho..... IU gets good players and they are shady, not like the good clean winning programs(still no1 has named one, we came up with 4 programs that have one 1 NC in 75 years)..... Yup, I am the one not making sense. You fail miserably in the real world daily don't you.
Yes, so dumb. Facts suck i realize, fiction is smart around here.
If IU just got to final 4s you would be ok with that? Nigel is a guy you would rip apart, so is Iverson. Nigel is outspoken, and not your PC wanting guy. I thought championships were the bar, I guess you can drop it when relevant in arguments....Wisconsin has been to 3 in that time frame and done remarkably better in the B1G.
Yea... facts like Wisconsin hadn't been to more FFs than IU since in the last 25 years.
Dumb@ss.
@cavdog1985: see my response to Tony.
I named those programs because they have been far, far more successful in the last 8 seasons than IU, again, without resorting to WWW.
You are as bat chit crazy as OS, Edumbs, and Cavdog1985 for stating we should be just like everyone else. Sorry, but I'd actually like to win the right way than cheat. Your closet UK Fandom is coming out again.Enlighten me.
Let me ask, what program out there does it the right way? Every school mentioned here has done the same things you accuse Crean of doing and worse. I'm not saying it's right, but holding the program to some fictional standard is chitbox crazy. No coach will be able to make you happy, not Steve Alford, not Gregg Marshall, not Brad Stevens, no one.
The story I was told was that Kyrie's camp had demands (I didn't specify cash) and that Crean wouldn't agree to it.@Tony Warwick: you have been severely misinformed at what happened with Irving's recruitment.
And IU was in 1st place in the BIG going into the post season in 2013 with 2 lottery picks and a team full of veteran role players.......and then they chit the bed in both tourneys.
Post season success, you jacka$$......we want consistent post season success.
Please kill yourself and do us all a favor. This post makes Tony look smart.Well that was easy you just named 4 programs that have not one a championship Since 1941, the other 3 never have........... Real Blue Bloods you got there? So mediocracy is ok now?
I am going to reiterate for Cavdog:
1) You asked for you schools "doing it the right way" and having success. I named 4 in the Crean era at IU that are, yet you want to include the pre-Crean era. Fine in the Tom Crean era IU has grand total of 4 NCAA tournament wins. 4. Wisconsin won 5 just last season.
2) IU has fallen so far that those 4 schools have ALL succeeded more than IU in the Crean era. Doing it the right way. I answered the question you asked. When I did this, you redefined the parameters of the question.
3) Getting back to Crean, do you think $3 million plus a year is acceptable for a coach that has 4 NCAA tourney wins in 7+ seasons?
4) In Crean's 16 plus seasons as a HC, he has missed the NCAA tourney 9 times.
5) He over-recruits. He kicks players like Roth off the team, then simultaneously hands out rides to players like Priller and Gelon.
6) Again, for the one millionth time, he has meet expectations at IU for 1.5 seasons. For 3 million a year and a $750000 recruiting budget, you'd think it would be ok to expect better results.
7) Your only argument that has come close to being cognizant is Crean has been successful this season. I agree with this wholeheartedly. He meet expectations this season. However, let's examine the factors at play: the Big Ten isn't as good as it normally is. He has benched Troy, he indeed oversaw the recruitment of the frosh class, but this should be the expectation. He should be good to great EVERY season. He should be competing or winning a Big Ten title EVERY SEASON. The fact he does not, especially with his 16 year track record is why so many do not see him as the right man for the job.
I am not sure how much more clearly I can spell it out than I have over the last few days.
That's 4 that've exceeded IU under Crean. You could add the Shockers to that list as well. It's "won", not "one", dumba$$. It's also "mediocrity". If you're gonna embrace it, you should at least know how to spell it. Head back to the chaffing lips of your beloved now.Well that was easy you just named 4 programs that have not one a championship Since 1941, the other 3 never have........... Real Blue Bloods you got there? So mediocracy is ok now?
Lmao. When Mac starts calling you out for the dumba$$ that you clearly are, well, we can only hope you're neutered so you don't further water down the gene pool.Please kill yourself and do us all a favor. This post makes Tony look smart.
Please tell me you aren't an IU grad? I mean seriously, how do you survive day to day when coming up with assumptions like this one. I really hope you are a 15 year old kid that is sitting in some dumb arse high school class right now. Because if you are a grown ass man, I'm shocked someone hasn't offed you for being stupid!
@cavdog1985:
I am clearly talking about a sustained level of postseason success. One good season in 2016 doesn't erase the previous 7 seasons of under-performance.
I am not 100% certain Crean is cheating. But with A-Hope, Martin as an assistant, Boo Williams, and a WWW sighting, yeah, that doesn't look good to me.
That's 4 that've exceeded IU under Crean. You could add the Shockers to that list as well. It's "won", not "one", dumba$$. It's also "mediocrity". If you're gonna embrace it, you should at least know how to spell it. Head back to the chaffing lips of your beloved now.
Can you please learn the difference between "one" and "won"? Jeebus, you make IUScott look like a MENSA member.IU is in 1st place....... you don't want mediocre tho..... IU gets good players and they are shady, not like the good clean winning programs(still no1 has named one, we came up with 4 programs that have one 1 NC in 75 years)..... Yup, I am the one not making sense. You fail miserably in the real world daily don't you.
more good basketball info........ Can you name 3 players on 10 teams in the big ten?Can you please learn the difference between "one" and "won"? Jeebus, you make IUScott look like a MENSA member.
Okay, well still doesn't make sense on why you go. Is she living vicariously through the lives of her sorority girls??
Her love affair for Tommy is little obsessive in my opinion. Heck, I though she was Joni Crean as much as she promotes and defends.
On a side note: How does one become a Sorority dad??
Bars are pretty good. You meet actual people. Hang out. Have intelligent discussions. ALL of which you are clueless about. You should try getting out of your parents basements once in a while. Maybe take a break from the inflatable girlfriend.shocker, you couldn't answer a question.... How's the wine bar scene today?
Yep. And that makes me smart? Dude, you're an idiot. Seriously. If you even have a degree, it's shameful to the institution that provided you an education.more good basketball info........ Can you name 3 players on 10 teams in the big ten?
There isn't. Who wouldn't want to play for a legend vs a pant tugging spaz? But yea, it was because they paid him. lmfao@Tony Warwick:
Irving's dad didn't like Crean, and as stated previously, McCloud pretty much betrayed his employer.
I am not sure there is much to fault Crean with in either scenario, but I have heard nothing but the McCloud story.
Yep. And that makes me smart? Dude, you're an idiot. Seriously. If you even have a degree, it's shameful to the institution that provided you an education.
more good basketball info........ Can you name 3 players on 10 teams in the big ten?
Please change your handle to D.a.D.S. Dumb as dog sh*tmore good basketball info........ Can you name 3 players on 10 teams in the big ten?
Please change your handle to D.a.D.S. Dumb as dog sh*t
Im out, you should be ashamed of yourself!? D.a.D.S....... WTF. Tea bagging piranhas was at least funny. More funny because it was miss spelled, that is the norm go to insult around here. I can understand now why this place attracts similar minded people. Enjoy your weekend, Ill come back after Maryland for some more good laughs.
If IU just got to final 4s you would be ok with that? Nigel is a guy you would rip apart, so is Iverson. Nigel is outspoken, and not your PC wanting guy. I thought championships were the bar, I guess you can drop it when relevant in arguments....