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Calipari to UCLA?

darkhawk returns said:
Look at the calendar...
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Maybe not... Cal has worked this angle before. I think he even went to the extent of flying to visit NC St while at Memphis. If I remember correctly they'd turned him down for raises for his staff and he suddenly became intrerested in the NC St gig. Viola, Memphis came through with raises for he and his staff. He's a smart guy, I think he likes to keep up rumors of him being courted for other jobs.
 
kkott said:
Maybe not... Cal has worked this angle before. I think he even went to the extent of flying to visit NC St while at Memphis. If I remember correctly they'd turned him down for raises for his staff and he suddenly became intrerested in the NC St gig. Viola, Memphis came through with raises for he and his staff. He's a smart guy, I think he likes to keep up rumors of him being courted for other jobs.
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Calipari's agent to UCLA AD: "Hey, I have an idea, publicly offer Cal a big contract, he's not planning on leaving UK so you won't need to worry about actually paying out that money. We get leverage to negotiate with UK and you get show off to boosters that you are willing to throw around big money, without actually needing to spend it"

UCLA AD: "Sure thing"
 
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kkott said:
Viola, Memphis came through...
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My all-time favorite common misspelling! I think it's that "voila!" is a foreign exclamation that makes it so great...that and the fact that "viola" is also an actual word.

Here are a couple violas:

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dbmhoosier said:
They'd have to up their offer quite a bit IMO in order to land Cal.
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No kidding. For one thing, I'm pretty sure he's already making more at UK than the $8MM/year UCLA offered him. Did they really think he'd leave for a paycut? There has to be something missing from this report.

For another, Kentucky's highest marginal state income tax rate is 6%. California's is more than double that -- 13.3%. Granted, California's rate only applies on income higher than $1MM. But it would still amount to roughly $500K more in state income tax every year. And that's nothing to sneeze at. This was supposedly a factor in Bryce Harper's decision to sign with the Phillies. I think his agent mentioned it in an interview. Pennsylvania's state income tax is only 3.07%.
 
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Cal is the definition of a snake oil salesman. He's so full of crap he can't talk without spewing tripe.

He knows if he even mentions another program or the NBA the lapdogs at uk will throw more money at him, and we know uk has a long history of throwing money to get what they want.

It will be interesting to see how much longer he coaches. When uk hired him he went on and on about how his wife wanted him to stop because her and the kids wanted to spend time with him and he didn't need the money.

"I will," he said of retiring from coaching, "Sooner than everyone thinks. I'm not a, quote, lifer. I'm not going to be coaching till I'm 70. If I'm coaching in my 60s, something happened." ~John Calipari April 2009

Well old Cal is 60 and now he's looking at a lifetime contract. I didn't believe him then. I don't believe him now. And frankly, he should stay until they decide to stop throwing money at him. But stop with the smoke blowing.
 
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crazed_hoosier2 said:
No kidding. For one thing, I'm pretty sure he's already making more at UK than the $8MM/year UCLA offered him. Did they really think he'd leave for a paycut? There has to be something missing from this report.

For another, Kentucky's highest marginal state income tax rate is 6%. California's is more than double that -- 13.3%. Granted, California's rate only applies on income higher than $1MM. But it would still amount to roughly $500K more in state income tax every year. And that's nothing to sneeze at. This was supposedly a factor in Bryce Harper's decision to sign with the Phillies. I think his agent mentioned it in an interview. Pennsylvania's state income tax is only 3.07%.
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BTW...I wonder if college coaches are like professional athletes in having to declare the income earned from each individual game in the particular state in which the game was played. I would suspect that they are, but I have no idea.

Anybody here know the answer to that question? I'm just curious.
 
Some of the UCLA big money contributors are unwilling to accept that Kareem and Bill Walton have no more eligibility
 
crazed_hoosier2 said:
BTW...I wonder if college coaches are like professional athletes in having to declare the income earned from each individual game in the particular state in which the game was played. I would suspect that they are, but I have no idea.

Anybody here know the answer to that question? I'm just curious.
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Interesting question. I'm no expert but I'm guessing it would depend on how their contact is structured. If their salary is paid on a per game basis, then I would guess yes. If they make the same amount regardless of if they actually coaching at the games or not (as in suspended or sick) then I would think not.
 
Eurocyldon said:
Cal is the definition of a snake oil salesman. He's so full of crap he can't talk without spewing tripe.

He knows if he even mentions another program or the NBA the lapdogs at uk will throw more money at him, and we know uk has a long history of throwing money to get what they want.

It will be interesting to see how much longer he coaches. When uk hired him he went on and on about how his wife wanted him to stop because her and the kids wanted to spend time with him and he didn't need the money.

"I will," he said of retiring from coaching, "Sooner than everyone thinks. I'm not a, quote, lifer. I'm not going to be coaching till I'm 70. If I'm coaching in my 60s, something happened." ~John Calipari April 2009

Well old Cal is 60 and now he's looking at a lifetime contract. I didn't believe him then. I don't believe him now. And frankly, he should stay until they decide to stop throwing money at him. But stop with the smoke blowing.
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he doesn't have time to spend the money he has now. i doubt money i the most important thing to him right now
 
minneman said:
Interesting question. I'm no expert but I'm guessing it would depend on how their contact is structured. If their salary is paid on a per game basis, then I would guess yes. If they make the same amount regardless of if they actually coaching at the games or not (as in suspended or sick) then I would think not.
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I'd be willing to bet that the state taxing authorities aren't quite so sanguine as to allow contractual language to deprive them of what they would (understandably) see as legitimate tax revenues. If that were the case, then every such coaching employment contract would be written so as to realize the income in whatever state they play even one game in with the lowest tax rate. Every coach would be doing everything they could to schedule at least one game in Florida....and then they'd say "My employer paid me my entire year's salary for this one game...the rest I do for free!"
 
burnacct41 said:
This great for us as he’s losing his touch.
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What a painfully peculiar take to have a couple weeks removed from losing Keion Brooks to him.

I don't think Calipari is "losing his touch" so much as getting beat at his own game by (in particular) Coach K. Thankfully, OADs are soon to be a thing of the past. They weren't a good thing for college basketball.
 
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crazed_hoosier2 said:
My all-time favorite common misspelling! I think it's that "voila!" is a foreign exclamation that makes it so great...that and the fact that "viola" is also an actual word.

Here are a couple violas:

300px-Playing_viola.jpg


aVQka2S9_400x400.jpg
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And you neglected to include Frank Viola, who won 176 games in The Show? Shame.
 
Eurocyldon said:
Cal is the definition of a snake oil salesman. He's so full of crap he can't talk without spewing tripe.

He knows if he even mentions another program or the NBA the lapdogs at uk will throw more money at him, and we know uk has a long history of throwing money to get what they want.

It will be interesting to see how much longer he coaches. When uk hired him he went on and on about how his wife wanted him to stop because her and the kids wanted to spend time with him and he didn't need the money.

"I will," he said of retiring from coaching, "Sooner than everyone thinks. I'm not a, quote, lifer. I'm not going to be coaching till I'm 70. If I'm coaching in my 60s, something happened." ~John Calipari April 2009

Well old Cal is 60 and now he's looking at a lifetime contract. I didn't believe him then. I don't believe him now. And frankly, he should stay until they decide to stop throwing money at him. But stop with the smoke blowing.
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It must mean he is valuable if he just has to sniff another opportunity and then UK throws money at him. I'm not a fan of his, but I do think that he looks good for 60. I was surprised he was that old.
 
crazed_hoosier2 said:
BTW...I wonder if college coaches are like professional athletes in having to declare the income earned from each individual game in the particular state in which the game was played. I would suspect that they are, but I have no idea.

Anybody here know the answer to that question? I'm just curious.
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I hate government and politicians and all the useless red tape they create. Help them out. When having to declare for time worked in another state for a business trip and send a tax payment to them, make the check for a few cents more or maybe a 1 dollar more than really owed. This way the state will have to pay to process a check to repay the $1.
 
crazed_hoosier2 said:
I'd be willing to bet that the state taxing authorities aren't quite so sanguine as to allow contractual language to deprive them of what they would (understandably) see as legitimate tax revenues. If that were the case, then every such coaching employment contract would be written so as to realize the income in whatever state they play even one game in with the lowest tax rate. Every coach would be doing everything they could to schedule at least one game in Florida....and then they'd say "My employer paid me my entire year's salary for this one game...the rest I do for free!"
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I don't think it would be like that. Rather it would be like the IU coach works and gets paid in Indiana with occasional work travel. So not basing the pay on games at all. I've traveled for work and I don't have to pay taxes to every state and country I've traveled to. But I'm not sure how their pay is configured.
 
bailey777 said:
He is not going anywhere and never will. Kentucky will continue to pay him whatever he wants to stay on.
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Not only will they continue to pay Calapari, they will continue to find ways to pay the players he recruits, their families, and handlers. At some point the NCAA will get so pissed off at the ongoing shenanigans at Kentucky, that they will give Murray State the death penalty, to make an example of someone.
 
crazed_hoosier2 said:
What a painfully peculiar take to have a couple weeks removed from losing Keion Brooks to him.

I don't think Calipari is "losing his touch" so much as getting beat at his own game by (in particular) Coach K. Thankfully, OADs are soon to be a thing of the past. They weren't a good thing for college basketball.
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Yep.
And if youre Cal do you really wanna rock the boat by taking a lot less interest in these one and done hype machines?...Esp when they keep throwing you more money??
I dont think the fans ,a.d etc are ready for that route yet.
 
hoosier_est_1984 said:
Yep.
And if youre Cal do you really wanna rock the boat by taking a lot less interest in these one and done hype machines?...Esp when they keep throwing you more money??
I dont think the fans ,a.d etc are ready for that route yet.
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It’ll be interesting to see how Calipari does once most of the kinds of players he’s relied on will be going straight to the pros.

He’s been incredibly successful using the OAD strategy. But it’ll be a new game here in a couple years. Maybe he’ll continue having consistent high-level success. But maybe he won’t. If I was a decision-maker at UK, I think I’d have been a bit cautious about that before pushing all their chips in the middle of the table.
 
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