Breaking news -- IU has a running back
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I don't disagree but the coaches need to figure out a way to get points out of those long drives. To have a RB get over 200 yds and only score 20 pts, something wasn't quite right. I didn't like the playcalling.
You nailed it...seems almost impossible only 2 TD out of that many yards. Means too many lost 3rd downs...line work.
I wanted to see Penix for a few series but Ramsey did some things with his legs to keep the ball moving. He threw a great ball to Westbrook in the end zone and hit Timian on some 10 yard crossing routes to move the sticks. He’s a game manager, which is what you need in conditions like this. In good conditions, he throws for a bunch more yards.
I didn't think they would put him in tonight. The weather was to sh*tty and Peyton kept in under control. I'll give him a pass tonight in regards to zipped balls because of the weather. Solid effort all the way around and we showed some real toughness on a difficult night.
I don’t understand all the crticism of a guy who is 2-0. Yes not great but he did just play in a hurricane. He is a game manager who can make plays with his legs when necessary.
Purdue who supposedly has two more gifted passers is 0-2 not that they are the program we aspire to be. Why don’t celebrate these two victories and trust oh coaches to do what they need to do. In the meantime we are two and zero we have a true freshman running back who rushed for 200 yards to a team who gave up less than 50 yards rushing in game one. He also did not fumble which Ellison would do once in awhile. The defense showed much improvement still has a ways to go. Special teams need work. I trust our coaches.
Purdue who supposedly has two more gifted passers is 0-2 not that they are the program we aspire to be. Why don’t celebrate these two victories and trust oh coaches to do what they need to do. In the meantime we are two and zero we have a true freshman running back who rushed for 200 yards to a team who gave up less than 50 yards rushing in game one. He also did not fumble which Ellison would do once in awhile. The defense showed much improvement still has a ways to go. Special teams need work. I trust our coaches.
By any metric, a true road win and a monsoon madness victory over Virginia, says to me we are better than just an o. k. Team.
It’s where you really see the lack of offensive playmakers. Need to really up the ante in recruiting to get this to change.
Good grief, you have to be the most irritating troll on here.
If you are an IU fan then please just STFU because reading your negativity gets old. We are 2-0 in this season. We are not Alabama. Both of these games are ones we would have lost in the past. No defense Wilson would have NEVER beaten UV in that deluge.
We have guys in Hale and others that will be playing on Sunday.
If you can’t add anything of value, please don’t respond to the thread instead of just complaining about nothing.
I disagree with your comments about playmakers. We have some talent there but they are learning.
I will give you a prime example:
On our 3rd series of the 2nd half we complete a long 3rd down completion to Fryfogel (the one he trapped against his leg)
We pound up the middle with Scott for good gains on the next thre snaps for first down.
We get a PI and a hold, offsetting penalties on a throw to Whop.
We complete a 4 yard pass to Hendershot. Now, 2nd and 6 at their 36.
Scott runs up the guy for 7 yards.
QB keeper by Ramsey for 2 yards. 2nd and 7 on their 27.
***Here is the key play***
They give the ball to Reese Taylor on an apparent jet sweep in motion but he was supposed to hand the ball back off to Whop Philyor on a reverse and there was all sorts of real estate for Whop to run. The DL has penetrated but tackled the RB in the process leaving Whop with tons of running room to the opposite side. As Reese came off the field, you could see Hart look at him with his palms raised as if “Why didn’t you give the ball to Whop?” A rookie mistake.
Dude, you serious?? There's plenty of playmakers on offense. Donovan Hale, Westbrook, Luke Timian, Stevie Scott at RB, Whop and of course true frosh MP.
The problem last night was the weather. How much did the monsoon affect scoring. I think it killed Ramsey's ability to pass the ball. Regardless, you lose credibility if you truly think iu doesn't have playmakers on offense.
Oh, I just learned something. I had no idea he was supposed to hand it off to Whop!! I cussed Debord up one side and down the other over that play.
Well, at some point, playmakers have to make plays. Scott made a couple last night, for sure.
At some point, all those playmakers have to actually make some plays (specifically, explosion plays). Just saying they’re playmakers doesn’t make it so, IMO.
To me it looked like Reese was supposed to pitch the ball to Whop (as opposed to a hand off) and I think Reese kept the ball because the pitching lane/window was pretty tight. As you stated, UVA defenders busted the play with penetration, and there were a number of dangers there. I also noticed Mike Hart grilling Reese on the sideline afterwards. It was a 50-50 call on Reese's part. If he had pitched it and there was a fumble, we would not have been happy.
If the kid understood what the play was and kept it instead for ball security reasons, then he should -- and I suspect will -- get a pat on the back. Film will determine if he made the right call or not.
I agree with this. It feels like Westbrook is getting his feel for the game back, TBH. Hale has made some fine plays the opening two weeks and that's exciting for IU football. The discovery of Scott is notable as he looked like an All Big Ten performer last night!
To be fair, the play CC described didn’t fit the weather conditions and should have, in my view, been left in the trick bag for another day. Too many ways it could blow up given the wind and rain.
Yes - a pitch. They had a DL break through and he was tackling our RB, either Brookins or Majette (couldn’t see) thinking they had the ball. Reese took a bit deeper route and still could have tossed to Whop and there was a bunch of space over there on the opposite field. Their DL, LBs and CBs were charging hard to the East sideline. They would have literally had to stop, plant and change direction. Nobody for Virginia over there on the West side. Whop would have gone for a long gainer.
The weather conditions were a lot more conducive to the intended reverse play than most of the pass plays in Ramsey's playbook, so I don't know why you're complaining about pass-game playmakers when weather conditions clearly made it really difficult and risky for Ramsey to get anything going through the air. In any case, that playmaker talk is so empty.
I didn’t specifically mention “pass-game playmakers”, only a general lack of playmakers. And the stats beat it out, so it’s not empty. And the conditions made it a perilous play call, at best.
I said this multiple times last night...I won't judge anything, good or bad, from last night. That kind of rain makes it impossible for every position.
We got a win, in a game we needed to win. It sure looked like we were going to give it away at the end in usual IU football flair.
We didn't. Take the W and move on.
We got a win, in a game we needed to win. It sure looked like we were going to give it away at the end in usual IU football flair.
We didn't. Take the W and move on.
Oh I agree the play would have worked if the pitch had been successful. No argument there. I was just worried about the pitch as I saw the play developing.
Me complain??? Pot meet kettle. You bitch about everything from the coach to players to the facilities. By the way, you never did answer my questions in regards to facilities.
And exactly how does that quote add anything of value?
Face it, you just like to bitch and moan.
We need more trickery in our offense. Fleaflickers, reverse passes from Reese, QB option plays, maybe some flexbone mis-direction with Reese and Whop as WBs and Scott as the FB. Debord needs to get creative if we want to beat good teams
Whop and Reese are too dangerous to not touch the ball.
Whop and Reese are too dangerous to not touch the ball.
What was your question about facilities? And wanting IU to have better players and a better program is hardly bitching and moaning, though I don’t understand why more people don’t want that, as well.
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The offense needs a more creative intermediate passing game, IMO. They've got the receivers to build one hell of a passing attack if he chooses to do so. The size and athletic ability of Hale and Westbrook should allow Debord to really ramp up the passing attack.
How much of the offense can Peyton Ramsey execute with what is perceived to be an average to below average arm? That's a fair and valid question at this point.
I personally think IU is staying vanilla and will expand passing in conference. I think our coaches think they can win without the flash.
I have no facts to back it up. Just impression I get listening to coaches talk.
I have no facts to back it up. Just impression I get listening to coaches talk.
We've had the first shakedown game of the season and then a second game in a typhoon, fer cryin' out loud, and people are calling for razzle dazzle. This place is comical.
We call them hurricanes on this side of the world.
But it was less than tropical storm status.
I blame Glass for the lousy weather too!
I agree that IU needs that chapter in the book, but Satuday was no day to open it up.
Not sure if that was football only rain or was the Ultimate Frisbee team sharing it?
