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Wow....sounds like those federal prosecutors have a tough argument to make, if this is being correctly reported......showing that Kansas has been defrauded by exposing them to NCAA sanctions for payments everybody knows were being made, only with plausible deniability intact? That's an easy one--not guilty.
I would think the easiest charge would be tax evasion on the family members that accepting payments. That wouldn't be a politically correct prosecution, so that probably won't happen....and perhaps it shouldn't.
Which begs the question of why federal prosecutors are involved in this mess.
Will Self be fired by Kansas?
Basically the same issue that got rid of Pitino from college basketball. Minus the prostitution ring, and the affair in the restaurant.If we tell you yes, will you stop trying to weigh in on this topic?
Basically the same issue that got rid of Pitino from college basketball. Minus the prostitution ring, and the affair in the restaurant.
Do you have more inside details on Self?You have a fringe understanding of this trial.
no crap...the FBI must suddenly have whole level of leadership with degrees from mid-major colleges...they want blood...and i'm for it as long as IU stays off the hook, of course lol
i'm way more interested in how the NCAA will ignore Self's clear plea for 3rd party recruiting help in the texts....that chicken shit cheated his way right up the ladder...i still think IU is uniquely poised to have to cheat a bit less because of strong basketball institutions within the state...or so i tell myself...i'm a cynical dreamer
Wow....sounds like those federal prosecutors have a tough argument to make, if this is being correctly reported......showing that Kansas has been defrauded by exposing them to NCAA sanctions for payments everybody knows were being made, only with plausible deniability intact? That's an easy one--not guilty.
I would think the easiest charge would be tax evasion on the family members that accepted payments. That wouldn't be a politically correct prosecution, so that probably won't happen....and perhaps it shouldn't.
Which begs the question of why federal prosecutors are involved in this mess.
Basically the same issue that got rid of Pitino from college basketball. Minus the prostitution ring, and the affair in the restaurant.
If they're cheating then I hope they get nailed. That includes IU and Purdue. The game needs cleaning up. Cheating seems to be rampant. It's probably wishful thinking.no crap...the FBI must suddenly have whole level of leadership with degrees from mid-major colleges...they want blood...and i'm for it as long as IU stays off the hook, of course lol
i'm way more interested in how the NCAA will ignore Self's clear plea for 3rd party recruiting help in the texts....that chicken shit cheated his way right up the ladder...i still think IU is uniquely poised to have to cheat a bit less because of strong basketball institutions within the state...or so i tell myself...i'm a cynical dreamer
Imagine if the NCAA formed a high end athletic shoe company and required teams to wear NCAA shoes. I wonder how much recruiting would change.
If they're cheating then I hope they get nailed. That includes IU and Purdue. The game needs cleaning up. Cheating seems to be rampant. It's probably wishful thinking.
Frank Kendrickbite your tongue. IU should always be spared. Purdue should be sanctioned for following the rules.
I find it interesting how pretty much no B10 school has been terribly implied in any of this yet. Wonder how much all of this plays into why the B10 hasn't had a Natty champ in so long.no crap...the FBI must suddenly have whole level of leadership with degrees from mid-major colleges...they want blood...and i'm for it as long as IU stays off the hook, of course lol
i'm way more interested in how the NCAA will ignore Self's clear plea for 3rd party recruiting help in the texts....that chicken shit cheated his way right up the ladder...i still think IU is uniquely poised to have to cheat a bit less because of strong basketball institutions within the state...or so i tell myself...i'm a cynical dreamer
Wonder how much all of this plays into why the B10 hasn't had a Natty champ in so long.
Makes for a nice headline, but ultimately it is important to remember that it is from a defense attorneys closing argument. Hardly evidence.
The text messages are a bad look, and show that Self and Townsend likely had knowledge of Adidas funneling players their way, if they didn't direct it themselves.
Ultimately, it will take a SWAT team to remove Self from KU. Kansas wont blink and they shouldn't.
Dig your heels in and make the NCAA justify their punishment.
And Sampson was only guilty of extra phone calls that are no longer against the rules.Frank Kendrick
will be interesting. i'm curious to see if KU does any self-punishment to get ahead of this thing. the ncaa bends the knee to programs like KU but what the feds are unearthing is way too much to ignore. i actually think Self goes down hard for this one. looks like he got cocky and/ or lazy. you talk to your assistants in person and your assistants send the texts and make the calls.
"get me some real guys" not too bright, billy!
Big Ten basketball recruiting has been horrific for 20 years. I heard Romeo is the highest ranked recruit in like 10 years or since Gordon for the entire conference. That’s incredible. Meaning no one in the conference has gotten a top 5 recruit in that timeframe. The Big Ten has become almost like a mid major in college basketball.I find it interesting how pretty much no B10 school has been terribly implied in any of this yet. Wonder how much all of this plays into why the B10 hasn't had a Natty champ in so long.
The problem is that the texts are still vague enough to attribute the conversation to something else.
Now anyone with a functioning brain knows what they were talking about, but I still wouldn't call it a smoking gun.
Gatto's whole defense was essentially, I didn't defraud these schools, they're complicit.
While that is most likely true, you have to keep in mind he's going to do any and everything prove that.
Ultimately, I think the NCAA wants this FBI situation to blow over as much as anyone. I have a hard time seeing them doing anything severe to any of the schools caught up in this, that just elongates the conversation for a few more years.
They're well within their power to bring the hammer down on Kansas, but I don't think they will.
As far as Kansas getting out in front with their own self-punishment, they wont and they shouldn't, unless more details come to light.
The most I could see is Townsend getting the axe, but I doubt that even happens. Him and Self are best friends.
Or, the B1G was not cheating like some other conferences. SEC (Somewhere Everybody Cheats). FBI needs to probe SEC Football recruiting.Big Ten basketball recruiting has been horrific for 20 years. I heard Romeo is the highest ranked recruit in like 10 years or since Gordon for the entire conference. That’s incredible. Meaning no one in the conference has gotten a top 5 recruit in that timeframe. The Big Ten has become almost like a mid major in college basketball.
Big Ten basketball recruiting has been horrific for 20 years. I heard Romeo is the highest ranked recruit in like 10 years or since Gordon for the entire conference. That’s incredible. Meaning no one in the conference has gotten a top 5 recruit in that timeframe. The Big Ten has become almost like a mid major in college basketball.
I wonder if they were to punish programs regardless if they had knowledge or not to stop outsiders from hurting "their program".i'm certainly no expert in NCAA bylaws but i think we're confusing the different things the FBI and NCAA care about. the feds care about the money (see wire fraud) because that's the only way they can run with in this. the NCAA cares that KU sought 3rd party help to recruit. they have more than enough to hammer that home. plus all the press. all of college basketball is watching this. they can't ignore this or they might as well not exist. and other schools, or a group of schools, would likely compel a judge to tell the NCAA they no longer exist if they did fail to act on things like this.
this really isn't business as usual.
Big Ten basketball recruiting has been horrific for 20 years. I heard Romeo is the highest ranked recruit in like 10 years or since Gordon for the entire conference. That’s incredible. Meaning no one in the conference has gotten a top 5 recruit in that timeframe. The Big Ten has become almost like a mid major in college basketball.
Since our last title the ACC and Big East both have won 6-7 titles. The SEC 3. All of those are head and shoulders above the Big Ten. We’re comparable to the Big 12 and PAC 12Lol we've had six of our teams (off the top of my head) make the championship final game in the past 20 years with the latest one going all the way back to just seven months (and that's after having two other teams be ranked top ten, one top five all season long).
Only the ACC can come close to that, and I don't think they do (UNC, Duke, Louisville, Syracuse, Maryland now in the Big Ten)
Try harder next time.
Since our last title the ACC and Big East both have won 6-7 titles. The SEC 3. All of those are head and shoulders above the Big Ten. We’re comparable to the Big 12 and PAC 12
Big Ten basketball recruiting has been horrific for 20 years. I heard Romeo is the highest ranked recruit in like 10 years or since Gordon for the entire conference. That’s incredible. Meaning no one in the conference has gotten a top 5 recruit in that timeframe. The Big Ten has become almost like a mid major in college basketball.
Spot onHold on here..in your debate that Kentucky is the model program to emulate you dismissed me saying they have just one championship from their 8 billion one and done lottery picks with 'they've been to the final four a lot which is what counts'.
Now in this rebuttal you pull out the 'yeah but how many have won?'.
Oh and a those championships had maybe 3 or 4 one and done players.
Plus now we know their market value is $150k, plus cars (hello Mr Preston) plus housing plus a job and in return you get very little actual championship success and a hell of a lot of headache for the stars that you crave so much.
The reason for the big ten drought is not from having a lack of talent. We've gotten there by more teams than anyone. You're one and dones aren't winning championships.
The best experienced players are winning championships.
Big Ten basketball recruiting has been horrific for 20 years. I heard Romeo is the highest ranked recruit in like 10 years or since Gordon for the entire conference. That’s incredible. Meaning no one in the conference has gotten a top 5 recruit in that timeframe. The Big Ten has become almost like a mid major in college basketball.
Fair enough. I thought it was 10 when it’s 8. Same take away. That’s 35 recruits in between and no Big Ten school got one. Hard to believe for us old guys.2010. Sullinger. See, you did exaggerate.