Besides TJD and Brunk who sniffs the floor for a top 25 team

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  1. edub72

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    I don’t think any player besides TJD and Brunk would even get on the floor for a decent top 25 team. We are that bad at times. Used to play for championships now we can’t even get in the tournament
     
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    Phinisee, when healthy, would get minutes for most top 25 teams, but your point is valid. Also a factor that outside of TJD, or next 2 highest rated players coming in were Davis and Hunter, both of which right now are shells of the players they might have been due to injuries. Still, no excuses, we should be a better team and there's no reason that we are where we are in regards to shooting the ball.
     
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    Lot's crap teams in college basketball..
    May be the weakest in 15 -20 year's..
    20 teams have a shot ..If they get hot for 6 games.
     
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    TJD, Brunk, Green, Phin, and Smith would all get minutes on a majority of top 25 teams. There is a reason we beat OSU and FSU. We have enough talent to be a top 25 team. If we win the next 3 games, we will be in the top 20. I think we will be ranked if we win 2 out of 3 (assuming the wins are against Maryland and MSU).
     
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    What if IU loses the next 3 games?
     
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    I shouldn't have left Smith off, I agree he'd get minutes. Not sure I agree on Green. A shooter who can't always shoot isn't terribly valuable. I can forgive an off night of shooting, but hustle, help and heads up ball should always be there. Not the case with Green far too often.
     
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    I'll wait and see if it happens.
     
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    I don't understand the continued hate on Smith. I really don't.

    Phin would get minutes on a top 25 team as well.

    Good Green would get minutes. Bad Green, not so much.
     
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    If we lose to Nebraska we will not be ranked . Being ranked is the last thing we need to worry about. This team needs an identity and fast.
     
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    TJD, Brunk, Phinisee
     
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    What if IU wins the next 3 games. I think IU can win or lose every remaining game on the schedule. We won't know which way it will go until after each game.
     
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    I disagree. If we beat MSU and Maryland the following week, I think we would be ranked. We would be 15-5 and have 4 wins over top 25 teams.
     
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    Smith and Durham lead the team in turnovers. Smith is also shooting 24% from 3 and continues to shoot them. 6 for 25 on threes. There's two reasons.

    Although Hunter is 4-28 from three on the season so there's that. 14 effing percent. Why does he see the floor!!?
     
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    Hmmmm, no. Durham and Phin both average more than Smith does. Smith is playing 30 minutes a games on average, the most on the team. I agree his three point shooting isn't good, but whose on the team is? It's not like he's out there and just jacking them up. He's one of fours players that are shooting over 50% from the field (Brunk, TJD and Race are the others).

    He's a solid in rebounding and leads the team in steals. Why again does everyone hate in him so much?
     
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    Green would not, as he wouldn't even be on the team.
     
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    Rob, Justin, Durham and green would all get time on the majority of T25
     
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    Smith is solid in all those things you said (plus occasional ballhandling and common sense when needed) and probably wouldn't shoot any threes all year if he were on a team with shooters like any two of Alford, Hulls, Roderick Wilmont, Kitchell, Wittman, Hornsby, Leary, May, Green, Rayl, Fife or (shudder) Bracey Wright (or dozens of other great IU shooters). But he isn't. He's on this team. We don't have shooters like that.

    There are times when we need to shoot a three pointer no matter who shoots it. Seriously -- was Christian Watford the absolutely best 3-point option in that Kentucky game?

    Smith has shot exactly 25 three pointers in 17 games (not exactly a three-point machinegun). They really should get off his back.

    The guy who has gotten a free pass in the recent Rutgers game is Jackson-Davis. He got four points and got smothered. We needed his normal excellence to win that game. We should inspire Jackson-Davis instead of dogging Smith.
     
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    Smith is solid in all those things you said and probably wouldn't shoot any threes all year if he were on a team with shooters like any two of Alford, Hulls, Roderick Wilmont, Kitchell, Wittman or (shudder) Bracey Wright, or Hornsby or even Fife (or dozens of other great IU shooters). But he isn't. He's on this team. We don't have shooters like that. There are times when we need to shoot a three pointer no matter who shoots it. Seriously -- was Christian Watford the absolutely best 3-point option in that Kentucky game?

    Smith has shot exactly 25 three pointers in 17 games (not exactly a three-point machinegun). They really should get off his back.

    The guy who has gotten a free pass in the recent Rutgers game is Jackson-Davis
     
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    By what measure? A feeling based opinion or do you have some reference to many available metrics?

    We were picked in the 30 to 50 range and 7 to 10th conference range by every statistical projection.. and those projections were mirrored by media.

    and that's where we're at. Teams in that range regularly win home games against top 20 teams. So....

    Did you just make that up to hopefully make the coach look bad when he doesn't finish top 25?

    That's cheap ... and weak...
     
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    This is a funny thread-after we win our next 3 games, there’s a good chance we’ll be a top 25 team. So, I guess who sniffs the floor will be up to Miller. (Sometimes I wish it were up to me (his substitutions drive me a little nuts))
     
  21. victorbear

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    What top 25 team would even sniff lil Archie to b their coach!
     
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    sniff this...
     
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    I’ll take what he’s drinking
     
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    U think he’s a good coach prove it
     
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    @Paterfamilias, T.M.P. lost his memory again and is requesting data on IU’s talent level.

    I suggest next time you don’t fall in love with a mid major coach, they usually end up getting fired.
     
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    you think this is love? Lol. Though that probably explains your interpersonal relationships and how you got this way...
     
  27. snarlcakes

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    You logged in as the wrong handle.
     
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    Not sure what you mean. This handle has been consistently calling you a dummy ever since you revealed yourself as a dummy. Lol. Should I create a new name to just to call you a dummy twice?
     
  29. snarlcakes

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    At least I graduated from being a douche. I love how you took the time to make complete sentences. You can’t call someone a dummy using sentence fragments;)
     
  30. Paterfamilias

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    I had IU #23 with a roster score that most years would be Top 20. There were an unusual number of teams in the Big 6 conferences with what appeared to be quality rosters, but not many standouts. That part of it seems to be playing out.

    My expectation for IU was a #3 - #6 seed in the NCAA. If IU wins tomorrow, they will have the exact record that my projections had to this point (14.04- 3.96). That said, the way they are playing doesn't provide a lot of hope that they will be able to stay on track. It should be noted that IU figured to be a late developing team by the numbers and those kind of teams can sometimes flip a switch... granted I don't feel confident that will happen.

    I say we just let it play out and see what happens. It won't be long and we'll all be wishing it was basketball season again. Also, my stuff just helps me to be prepared for betting games. I know that there are much, much better metrics than my own... and I use them all.

    As soon as you say something on social media something happens to make you look like a dummy. That said, I continue to be unimpressed with Archie as a coach, but I love his philosophy. Crean I thought was really good at getting his teams to play the way he wanted, he just had a crappy philosophy of how to play and build a roster. That's just my opinion though
     
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    And knowing this team we immediately lose that ranking by getting thumped @PSU.
     
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    Dummy- Someone I don’t agree with.
     
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    We will not beat sparty
     
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    Why? Last year we were terrible and we swept them. They were better last year. We’ve already seen them lose by 30 on the road.
     
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    I made no judgement and certainly would not waste my time arguing with a mindless troll. Pound sand wee one.
     
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    If msu plays like they did last night and we play like we did against FSU we lose by 10+. They are way better than us and I do not seeing them losing many more games all year. I’d put the over under on 2.5.
     
  37. snarlcakes

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    Thanks for the information. I was giving T.M.P. a hard time, not you. I enjoy making predictions and have been wrong too many times to call you a dummy.

    I will say that I think we will be a good team, next year. We will have a lot of talent and upperclassmen. I just have to get through this season.
     
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    Sparty learned lesson at Puke they’ll b ready
     
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    Oh yeah, I knew that. If anyone deserves a little grief it's probably me though, as I was really confident that it would take crap coaching for this to not be a really nice season. Arch has definitely had some bad luck though with Phin's nagging injury situation. I wouldn't have been so bold if I would have thought Rob would be mostly useless.

    Excuses are tired at this point though!

    IU's projected roster would put them between about #10 and #14 next year, but Trayce could leave and who knows what else may transpire.
     
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    There’s expectations and then there’s predictions. My pre-season expectations (which I am not adjusting), I think were pretty similar to yours. I expect IU to be a top 25 team this year. I expect them to be in the top 5 of the conference. I expect them to be a six seed or better. I would probably put their over /under for conference wins around 13.5.

    Am I predicting that they end up with 14 wins? Hard to make a prediction with the Jekyll and Hyde nature of this team. We could win 7 games or we could win 15.

    If our expectations aren’t met, it doesn’t mean that we were wrong. Just that the team underperformed (our expectations). You don’t deserve any grief. Your posts are amongst the most reasonable on this forum, and your expectations were based on data. Thanks for that.
     
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