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What if she attacked him first?

Even if she attacked him first, it doesn’t justify his alleged response. Strangulation (from behind), biting, and hitting, as reported in the police account, are excessive and disproportionate. Self-defense is meant to neutralize a threat, not escalate to what amounts to assault. What’s more, the physical evidence—the bruises and bite marks observed by police—aligns with her original report, not with a scenario where he was simply defending himself.
 
I remember Perry, the former governor of Texas, described Austin as The blueberry in the red tomato soup.
That's the guy who took to wearing glasses because it
Who says it’s for the better? Take a stroll past Peoples Park. Well maybe not stroll, better stay in your car and keep moving. That’s not better than when I graduated in 1980.
Walked past peoples park today. What's your issue? In the Summer, every Thursday afternoon there's a free concert there. We often stop for an hour of that, then walk down Kirkwood to have dinner at Goodfellas or Fat Dan's.
 
Even if she attacked him first, it doesn’t justify his alleged response. Strangulation (from behind), biting, and hitting, as reported in the police account, are excessive and disproportionate. Self-defense is meant to neutralize a threat, not escalate to what amounts to assault. What’s more, the physical evidence—the bruises and bite marks observed by police—aligns with her original report, not with a scenario where he was simply defending himself.
His report states that she was trying to hit him in the privates and he stopped her from doing so. This was after she acknowledged initiating the encounter by grabbing his glasses out of his hand and smashing them. On her assault victim report she indicated shallow breathing for about 5 seconds during the “strangulation” but the police did not note any signs of strangulation on her neck.
 
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His report states that she was trying to hit him in the privates and he stopped her from doing so. This was after she acknowledged initiating the encounter by grabbing his glasses out of his hand and smashing them. On her assault victim report she indicated shallow breathing for about 5 seconds during the “strangulation” but the police did not note any signs of strangulation on her neck.

 
Yes, I have read it and hence my last comments.

Choking

• Placed his arm around her neck from behind, impeding her ability to breathe for approximately 5 seconds.

• The victim reported feeling unable to move or do anything during the choking.

Throwing

• Threw her off the bed onto the floor.

• Dragged her back onto the bed, causing additional injuries.

Biting

• Bit her right forearm, leaving visible teeth marks and redness.

Slapping

• Slapped the glasses off her face.

Intimidation

• Moved his face within inches of hers after choking her, described as aggressive and threatening behavior.

Left her with visible injuries, including:

• A bite mark on her forearm.

• Abrasions to her right eyebrow/temple area.

• Abrasions and bruises on her left leg (from her knee to her foot).

• A cut on her left thumb, which was bleeding.

Look, if you find these actions acceptable, it’s clear we were raised with very different values. If someone did these things to my mother, sister, or daughter, it would undeniably cross a line. But that’s just me. It’s also clear that we’re not going to see eye to eye on this, so there’s no point in revisiting previous arguments or continuing a circular debate.
 
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Choking

• Placed his arm around her neck from behind, impeding her ability to breathe for approximately 5 seconds.

• The victim reported feeling unable to move or do anything during the choking.

Throwing

• Threw her off the bed onto the floor.

• Dragged her back onto the bed, causing additional injuries.

Biting

• Bit her right forearm, leaving visible teeth marks and redness.

Slapping

• Slapped the glasses off her face.

Intimidation

• Moved his face within inches of hers after choking her, described as aggressive and threatening behavior.

Left her with visible injuries, including:

• A bite mark on her forearm.

• Abrasions to her right eyebrow/temple area.

• Abrasions and bruises on her left leg (from her knee to her foot).

• A cut on her left thumb, which was bleeding.

Look, if you find these actions acceptable, it’s clear we were raised with very different values. If someone did these things to my mother, sister, or daughter, it would undeniably cross a line. But that’s just me. It’s also clear that we’re not going to see eye to eye on this, so there’s no point in revisiting previous arguments or continuing a circular debate.
Sorry but ridiculous to accuse me of unethical upbringing when all of my statements are factual. She admittedly initiated the situation and he claims he was restraining her as she tried to hit him in the privates. Her ASV further indicates shallow breathing breathing during the “strangulation” of 5 seconds that is consistent with restraining her rather than strangling her. I consider ethical behavior and judicious upbringing to provide consideration that both parties statements should be evaluated and all the evidence considered. This was the case with the Prosecutor in Austin and he determined reasonable prosecution not possible. You must question his upbringing if you apply the same standards.
 
I believe Mississippi plays Louisville this week. Ole Miss has lost one game to Purdue by a bucket. My research indicates a 3.5 million buyout for Beard to exit his contract after this season. I would hope Dolson interviews the man. Even coach Norman Dale got a second chance!
 
Choking

• Placed his arm around her neck from behind, impeding her ability to breathe for approximately 5 seconds.

• The victim reported feeling unable to move or do anything during the choking.

Throwing

• Threw her off the bed onto the floor.

• Dragged her back onto the bed, causing additional injuries.

Biting

• Bit her right forearm, leaving visible teeth marks and redness.

Slapping

• Slapped the glasses off her face.

Intimidation

• Moved his face within inches of hers after choking her, described as aggressive and threatening behavior.

Left her with visible injuries, including:

• A bite mark on her forearm.

• Abrasions to her right eyebrow/temple area.

• Abrasions and bruises on her left leg (from her knee to her foot).

• A cut on her left thumb, which was bleeding.

Look, if you find these actions acceptable, it’s clear we were raised with very different values. If someone did these things to my mother, sister, or daughter, it would undeniably cross a line. But that’s just me. It’s also clear that we’re not going to see eye to eye on this, so there’s no point in revisiting previous arguments or continuing a circular debate.
You are assuming these are facts.
 
I'd go after Pearl and have him get the ship righted and then bring in a young talent behind him.
That was the plan in hiring Woodson.

I’d prefer IU hire a guy who could be great for 10-15 years. (Though I’d take Pearl, for as long as he’s up to it.)
 
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It will be the biggest name possible. That's why I'm certain that none of my picks will be considered.
Not necessarily - Dolson scored with his unknown football hire, he could go the same route in BB.
 
Wrong. No reason he can’t. Bball is an easier hire. We have the big resources, we just need someone who can use them effectively.

If you don’t think we can hire a good coach, give up, you’re not really an IU fan anyway.

Yeah. I mean, it's not as if we have a near 25 year history of being unable to hire a good basketball coach, or anything like that.
 
Yeah. I mean, it's not as if we have a near 25 year history of being unable to hire a good basketball coach, or anything like that.
We all know this. What’s your point?

The search committee that hired Davis is not here. Herbert is not here. Glass is not here. Quinn is done next year. Maybe, if left alone to do his job, Scott can get the bball hire right. It’s not impossible.
 
We all know this. What’s your point?

The search committee that hired Davis is not here. Herbert is not here. Glass is not here. Quinn is done next year. Maybe, if left alone to do his job, Scott can get the bball hire right. It’s not impossible.
My point is that you’re suggesting that anyone skeptical of the program’s likelihood of making a good hire is somehow not a True Fan when we’ve hired 5 crappy ones in a row. Multiple AD’s, multiple administrations, multiple everything. Yet zero success. But we’re supposed to be wildly optimistic now?

Someday when we make another coaching change I hope we get it right. But until we do I’ll remain less than convinced.
 
My point is that you’re suggesting that anyone skeptical of the program’s likelihood of making a good hire is somehow not a True Fan when we’ve hired 5 crappy ones in a row. Multiple AD’s, multiple administrations, multiple everything. Yet zero success. But we’re supposed to be wildly optimistic now?

Someday when we make another coaching change I hope we get it right. But until we do I’ll remain less than convinced.
No, that's not what I'm suggesting. I'm simply saying it's possible we hire a good coach, and if someone doesn't think it's possible, there isn't much point to following IUBB.

Skepticism and concern is fine. I'm worried about donors and maybe trustees get involved again -- admin/trustees/donors meddling with the hire (it's the AD's job) is a common thread over the last 25 years of bad hires. I'm also worried Scott might just get it wrong. But maybe he gets it right, he did a good job with football. That would be great. We're likely not going anywhere with Woody unfortunately.
 
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The coach we could have all gotten onboard with passed away 2 months ago on the operating room table (or soon thereafter) down in South Florida. He would have been a perfect choice.
I really have no idea what the AD/BOT will come up with.
Who?
 
Even if she attacked him first, it doesn’t justify his alleged response. Strangulation (from behind), biting, and hitting, as reported in the police account, are excessive and disproportionate. Self-defense is meant to neutralize a threat, not escalate to what amounts to assault. What’s more, the physical evidence—the bruises and bite marks observed by police—aligns with her original report, not with a scenario where he was simply defending himself.
She says she did. Do you think that impossible? The report I read said he tried to subdue her with his arm around her neck, not his hands. It’s possible that’s not disproportionate. I don’t know.

Of course, now that you’re falling back on proportionate vs. disproportionate, you’ve made the case for this being something none of us can really know without more.

FWIW, I went to UT and have a lot of friends still in Austin in the legal field. It’s pretty well known down there that Beard and his fiancé both had a drinking problem.
 
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People's Park (Kirkwood & Dunn) or Seminary Park (2nd & Walnut/College)?
2nd and Walnut/College is what I am referring too. World Food is across street. I guess I am referring to Seminary as People’s. My wife and I call it People’s Park when we drive by. I stand corrected on name.
 
Even if she attacked him first, it doesn’t justify his alleged response. Strangulation (from behind), biting, and hitting, as reported in the police account, are excessive and disproportionate. Self-defense is meant to neutralize a threat, not escalate to what amounts to assault. What’s more, the physical evidence—the bruises and bite marks observed by police—aligns with her original report, not with a scenario where he was simply defending himself.
You have no idea what the physical evidence is.
 
She says she did. Do you think that impossible? The report I read said he tried to subdue her with his arm around her neck, not his hands. It’s possible that’s not disproportionate. I don’t know.

Of course, now that you’re falling back on proportionate vs. disproportionate, you’ve made the case for this being something none of us can really know without more.

FWIW, I went to UT and have a lot of friends still in Austin in the legal field. It’s pretty well known down there that Beard and his fiancé both had a drinking problem.
Bro, you went to DePauw.
 
Beard would be a monumental upgrade, from a pure basketball coaching standpoint. He's not the "perfect" hire, for the obvious off the court issues...but also bball stylistically, I'm not certain he's the best choice either.

To me, he's not a guy you completely ignore as a candidate...you send him the feelers, gauge his interest, talk with Pam and the BOT about it. But ultimately, I wouldn't have him as one of my top 2-3 picks. The risk with the previous baggage, and him coaching a more bruising, slower style...in combination...not worth him being a top candidate.

But if the search ended up landing on him, IU would instantly be very good at basketball again, I'm sure.
 
Yeah. I mean, it's not as if we have a near 25 year history of being unable to hire a good basketball coach, or anything like that.
I think just Woodson and Sampson were inexcusable. Davis kept the team together and went to the championship. Sampson was already on probation so that was idiotic for a program that prided itself on being clean. Crean won a couple Big Ten championships and was ranked #1 for bit and started with no scholarship players and pre-transfer portal. Little archie was well thought of at the time. In retrospect he was the worst of the group for W's and L's but it was viewed as a solid hire. Woodson was not a hire anyone thought would work, even with the babysitters they hired for him to learn the game. Mediocre nba assistant coach decades out of the college game.
 
I think just Woodson and Sampson were inexcusable. Davis kept the team together and went to the championship. Sampson was already on probation so that was idiotic for a program that prided itself on being clean. Crean won a couple Big Ten championships and was ranked #1 for bit and started with no scholarship players and pre-transfer portal. Little archie was well thought of at the time. In retrospect he was the worst of the group for W's and L's but it was viewed as a solid hire. Woodson was not a hire anyone thought would work, even with the babysitters they hired for him to learn the game. Mediocre nba assistant coach decades out of the college game.
Many of us were very skeptical about the Woodson hire, but there were quite a lot of people on here that were adamant supporters of the hire. Maybe most of them were just wanting to support him initially, I don't know. But I gave the hire a C+ grade, and was ridiculed for it by a decent number of posters.
 
Many of us were very skeptical about the Woodson hire, but there were quite a lot of people on here that were adamant supporters of the hire. Maybe most of them were just wanting to support him initially, I don't know. But I gave the hire a C+ grade, and was ridiculed for it by a decent number of posters.
After Archie it was reasonable to be excited about anyone, and they talked it up like it would be a return to the old ways of doing things at IU. Not running a 90s NBA style game plan etc.
 
This is my belief.
They were not married at the time and after the incident broke up. She didn't think fast enough to save those millions of dollars she had access to. I don't follow his private life so I don't know his situation at Ole' Miss but I did read she was not involved with him she he took the job.
 
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After Archie it was reasonable to be excited about anyone, and they talked it up like it would be a return to the old ways of doing things at IU. Not running a 90s NBA style game plan etc.
I personally was hoping that if IU was going with an older, "veteran coach" that John Belein would be the choice.

One thing I take away from this whole episode is that maybe IU should never hire a former player again. From time to time I see people throwing Calbert's name out there. Man it would be tough to see him struggle.
 
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I personally was hoping that if IU was going with an older, "veteran coach" that John Belein would be the choice.

One thing I take away from this whole episode is that maybe IU should never hire a former player again. From time to time I see people throwing Calbert's name out there. Man it would be tough to see him struggle.
IIRC Beilein was also under consideration in 2007, he was one of the candidates Greenspan liked. As usual, some know nothings (Herbert and trustees) meddled with the process and pushed Kelvin. Too bad for us.
 
IIRC Beilein was also under consideration in 2007, he was one of the candidates Greenspan liked. As usual, some know nothings (Herbert and trustees) meddled with the process and pushed Kelvin. Too bad for us.
Crazy to think where IU basketball would be right now had they chosen Beilein instead. Have to think he'd have had a 10+ year run of pretty high success. Hell, might still be coaching at IU...doubt he'd have gotten pulled away from IU for the NBA, especially if he had been to some Final Fours and stuff. Maybe though?
 
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Crazy to think where IU basketball would be right now had they chosen Beilein instead. Have to think he'd have had a 10+ year run of pretty high success. Hell, might still be coaching at IU...doubt he'd have gotten pulled away from IU for the NBA, especially if he had been to some Final Fours and stuff. Maybe though?
He would have been great. He was forward thinking on bball philosophy. He would have fit in perfectly. More resources at IU than UM so he probably could have achieved a bit more here. We avoid the Kelvin meltdown and everything downstream from that. Maybe he ends up trying the pros, but if he did he would have left a heathy program behind. Painful to think about!
 
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