B1G Tournament Seeding
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When you say “high seed”, you mean high number (low seed)…correct?
We still have a lot of winnable games to play and proved vs Kansas (albeit a loss) that our ceiling IS higher than how they’ve been playing as of late. Hope they spend this week off doing some soul searching. I really don’t want the program to endure yet another coach getting run off. Especially one with a deep RMK legacy.
We still have a lot of winnable games to play and proved vs Kansas (albeit a loss) that our ceiling IS higher than how they’ve been playing as of late. Hope they spend this week off doing some soul searching. I really don’t want the program to endure yet another coach getting run off. Especially one with a deep RMK legacy.
So the computer expects IU to finish 8-12 overall, which means we go 4-9 the rest of the way. Can we give coach a raise already?
I fully expect X to be starting and playing 30+ mins vs IL. How that goes???? This week he needs to figure it out.
I think that’s how it has to play out. His second half vs Wisky was an improvement. Roll the dice Woody, you bet on this horse. Time to ride him.
I know it isn’t popular to talk about, but X could turn this season around. He has all big ten ability. Just a matter if he can find that again.
He may be better for IU off the bench. You've seen the stat from Evan Miya, the one that lists the 10 most efficient lineups in basketball. IUs current starting lineup with Cupps is/was 6 or 7th, not in conference, nationally.
The efficiency drops as each bench player is inserted. Which is normal, but not with the drastic suckage we seem to have when a reserve comes in.
Xavier may help in that regard because everyone else basically gives points away to the opponent with Sparks being the worst .. Inserting Walker who has been our most productive bench player drops it appx 135 spots, inserting Sparks in place of Ware drops it 350 spots.. can't remember if it was Off eff or overall in this case. Doesn't matter makes my point regardless.
I haven't seen any data on Xs effect but it's certainly not a better lineup so far.
That lineup efficiency shows that the offense and defense that the slack jaws ignorantly complain about actually works well with the correct personnel but also shows that the bench or rotations that the slack jaws correctly complain about seriously sucks..
That's the problem with chronic complainers, the actual issues get buried in the pile of ignorant shit they create.
Either our bench sucks balls, the lineups other than the starters are horrible, or more likely both. It can't be more obvious.. eye test verifies the stats... stats verify the eye test.
IU needs a data analyst or at least use an outside consultant. Though it's not the end all, ignoring it is just foolish. If it truly is the rotations/lineup causing it the method needs to change. It just may be that the bench is really that bad,
Should only be playing 7 or 8 at this point. X, Walker, CJ .. at appx 20, 15, 10 .. or less. Keep the starters in as much as possible.
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I must agree. I too believe X is the only way we make progress. We ride with him, like it or not. Sadly, his return may have influenced others in the portal not to come because of his perceived playing time. (No facts, just thoughts.) Go Hoosiers!
Those are facts. Although most portal players did not come because Woody told Scoop he would not start over Gallo. If Scoop wasn't getting a chance (this was public knowledge with portal players, because they talk a shit ton when making this huge of a decision) to overtake Gallo, No1 worth a shit wanted to come here. Portal players move schools to get opportunity. See Scoop and JG starting this year. You don't transfer to try to beat someone out for your last year or two. Especially when it is proven said coach never changes his lineup. EVER.
Awesome info...
This is quite a lot less scientific...X doesn't look like a guy that thrives coming off the bench. You can actually see it in his demeanor and body language.
I'd start him...but get to the current lineup, by subbing Gabe in at early signs of "Bad X". I suspect part of the higher efficiency ratings is due to how Gabe plays versus X. I'd sit X down and Xplain all this to him. Show him how the ball moves better when Gabe is in. Show him how he'd have better attacking opportunities off of ball reversals coming back to him, with the defense shifting, versus him pounding the ball for the first 10 seconds of every possession... But I do think a mentally dialed in X, is a worthy dynamic to push for...and I think starting him again probably helps that happen better than having him come in off the bench.
And for certain...outside foul trouble...ride the starters and X if he's dialed in. They're young, they play twice a week, sometimes only once a week, they get 8 TV timeouts, probably an average of 4-5 other timeouts, and a 15 minute break at halftime. Every single one of those guys/kids could play all 40 minutes and then come back an hour later and do it again if needed.
Start X...sub Gabe in 2-3 minutes in for X. 4-5 minutes later sub X in for Trey. If X is bought in to moving the ball around and attacking the right way, his minutes are high. If not, sub him out and ride with the current starters for the majority of the minutes. And only sub others when their is foul trouble, MAYBE if there's a dead ball 30 seconds or so before a scheduled timeout, to give an extra breather to Ware or whoever...
Do this in conjunction with TONS of good teaching in practices on defensive positioning, and defending in a solid manner without fouling...and we could turn this season around, I'm sure.
The bench is really bad besides Walker/Cupps. They should play 7, and stop taking awful shots. That would help a lot. Woody won't listen or change is the biggest problem I am seeing. Stuck in his ways would be a good way to describe him.
Agreed. I know that analytic, but X doesn't look like a guy who's going to play his hardest coming off the bench. I think your only hope is to convince him to hit the reset button, spell out what you need out of him, and what is unacceptable, and roll the dice.
Malik 35 minutes
Kelel 35 minutes
Mack 35 minutes
Trey 30 minutes
Gabe 30 minutes
X 25 minutes (when playing well, up Gabe and Treys minutes when he isn't)
A.W. 10 minutes
Play some sort of zone if you have to...our defense is dog crap anyways. At least a zone is more likely to keep guys out of foul trouble, and would save their legs a little bit to allow for these minutes.
Strive to NEVER have less than 3 starters in the game at one time...ideally, not less than 4.
I think he means that IU will be a high seed as in 9 - 12 seed is the likely seeding. Unless I'm reading the graph wrong, I assume the bottom graph that lists the percentages at that seed, then taking the two 14% puts IU at a likely seed of 10 or 11 seeds.
You realize Woody has shown no intention to entertain analytics, right? He keeps it simple - guys need rest.
I didn't think we looked horrible in the zone when we tried it early vs WI I think it was... maybe OSU? But I didn't think it looked as static and as bad as we did in it vs Lville so I'd guess they've been practicing it and we'll see it more for the remainder of the year. I don't think it's probably going to be effective against WI or PU with their shooters, but no reason not to try it as a change of pace. My bigger fear is us rebounding out of it. We're already bad at blocking out!
What he's asking the 2/3/4 to do on defense isn't easily done. The emphasis on stunting, trapping, rotating to the nail and still covering shooters is very much like the packline which has the same basic philosophy to keep the ball out of the middle. like ours it isn't an easy defense for inexperienced players.
IU defense is a bit more aggressive than a pack. Analytics have shown that aggressive pressure designed to create TOs to get transition opportunities, regardless if full or half court, is fools gold.
Too many fouls, plus if a team takes care of the ball there goes your offensive efficiency. The new mind set is to do it situationally .. we have a rim protector, one of the best .. no need to do what we do.
Underwood brought in a data guy two years ago and he changed his defense.
I think Cav is correct in this situation, Woodson can coach, but needs to make some minor tweaks to his game but seems too stubborn and set in his ways to do it.
Hopefully someone on the staff understands and convinces him. Good leaders listen to their subordinates, good followers correct their leaders when needed.
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