Another change that needs to be made

[CC Mac]

In my opinion is the amount of tickets given to the visiting school.
I think it should be 10% of the stadium capacity and not a flat 3,500.
I think ND stadium capacity is right around 80k
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think IU should get 8k tickets.

 

[GR8IUFAN]

In my opinion is the amount of tickets given to the visiting school.
I think it should be 10% of the stadium capacity and not a flat 3,500.
I think ND stadium capacity is right around 80k
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think IU should get 8k tickets.

I actually think it should be treated as a true bowl game and be 50/50. The higher seed still gets the benefit of being at home. But the lower seed would get rewarded for making the CFP.
GoHoosiers

 

[vesuvius13]

I actually think it should be treated as a true bowl game and be 50/50. The higher seed still gets the benefit of being at home. But the lower seed would get rewarded for making the CFP.
GoHoosiers

I agree with you but know it will never happen.

 

[YOTHN]

I understand all aspects. It's certainly a big advantage but for the life of me, I will never understand why teams won't ban the resale ticket market for their games. Music artists do this, and it prevents scalpers from snagging up tickets and churning them for profit. Fans who purchase them and can't go can put them back up on the market at the same purchase price and if someone buys them, they walk away even. By doing this, you are left with valid fans who will create a louder atmosphere as opposed to a bunch of corporate goobers. It provides ZERO benefit to IU or ND to have their ticket prices on the secondary market, jacked up. It only fills the scalpers pockets.

 

[iubhounds]

I understand all aspects. It's certainly a big advantage but for the life of me, I will never understand why teams won't ban the resale ticket market for their games. Music artists do this, and it prevents scalpers from snagging up tickets and churning them for profit. Fans who purchase them and can't go can put them back up on the market at the same purchase price and if someone buys them, they walk away even. By doing this, you are left with valid fans who will create a louder atmosphere as opposed to a bunch of corporate goobers. It provides ZERO benefit to IU or ND to have their ticket prices on the secondary market, jacked up. It only fills the scalpers pockets.

Not much you can do though as a buyer if you want to go to the game. 3,500 tickets will go to the players families (as they should) and those high on the IU food chain along with their families.

I agree though with your idea of changing some things to keep the scalpers from filling their pockets.

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

Sour grapes. It sucks that we can't get tickets without selling a kidney, but a true road game with tickets treated like a true road game is how it should be. But they gotta get rid of the auto byes for the conference champions. Give them a spot, but seed them where they belong.

 

[TMFT]

Sour grapes. It sucks that we can't get tickets without selling a kidney, but a true road game with tickets treated like a true road game is how it should be. But they gotta get rid of the auto byes for the conference champions. Give them a spot, but seed them where they belong.

That's why God gave us two of 'em.

 

[eddy4iu]

Not much you can do though as a buyer if you want to go to the game. 3,500 tickets will go to the players families (as they should) and those high on the IU food chain along with their families.

I agree though with your idea of changing some things to keep the scalpers from filling their pockets.

Don't forget that the band tickets also come out of that 3500 seat allotment.

 

[Tammany Hall]

50/50 wouldn’t work. Say IU had to go to Penn State or Texas or UGA — we aren’t bringing 40-50K to those locations.

I do think 10-15% of capacity for road fans would be cool. I’d say this even if we were hosting.

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

50/50 wouldn’t work. Say IU had to go to Penn State or Texas or UGA — we aren’t bringing 40-50K to those locations.

I do think 10-15% of capacity for road fans would be cool. I’d say this even if we were hosting.

SOme home school that sells out their season tickets isn't going to agree to telling their season ticket holders they can't get access to a home CFP game bc they have to give the visiting team more tickets than what they do during the season.

 

[hookyIU1990]

Sour grapes. It sucks that we can't get tickets without selling a kidney, but a true road game with tickets treated like a true road game is how it should be. But they gotta get rid of the auto byes for the conference champions. Give them a spot, but seed them where they belong.

It'll go to 16 teams and no more byes. Just a matter of how quickly. Bammer fans will burn it to the ground if they're not in next year.

I wish they'd just seed teams instead of ranking and seeding.

 

[Tammany Hall]

SOme home school that sells out their season tickets isn't going to agree to telling their season ticket holders they can't get access to a home CFP game bc they have to give the visiting team more tickets than what they do during the season.

Yea that would be a challenge, and I said before this won’t happen. I’m simply saying it would be cool, a larger block of away fans creates more back and forth with the home fans and it would be unique to the playoff.

 

[OpenWheels]

... I will never understand why teams won't ban the resale ticket market for their games. Music artists do this, and it prevents scalpers from snagging up tickets and churning them for profit. Fans who purchase them and can't go can put them back up on the market at the same purchase price and if someone buys them, they walk away even. ...

I am for resale markets.

In this example, it gives some Indiana fans a chance to go. Yeah, pay through the nose, but that's not the resale market's fault, it the shitty policy not allocating a good amount for the visitors.

The resale market allocates them more fairly than the schools. Supply and demand works.
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[Jssanto]

SOme home school that sells out their season tickets isn't going to agree to telling their season ticket holders they can't get access to a home CFP game bc they have to give the visiting team more tickets than what they do during the season.

You could charge an extra few thousand (at the start of the season) to the season ticket holders for the right to extend their tickets for bowls or playoffs. You could also use the season ticket holders that are less senior and therefore have worse seats. Give those to the visiting team.

 

[YOTHN]

I am for resale markets.

In this example, it gives some Indiana fans a chance to go. Yeah, pay through the nose, but that's not the resale market's fault, it the shitty policy not allocating a good amount for the visitors.

The resale market allocates them more fairly than the schools. Supply and demand works.
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First of all, homefield advantage is just that. If we got 0 tickets, so be it. That would be to our advantage if we had homefield, so I couldn't possibly care less about that.

As for the inflated price, it's 1000% the resale markets fault. That isn't a result of someone buying tickets with honest intentions. That's someone buying them with no intention of going to the game but just to play middle man, mark the prices up just to gain profit. That's not a "fair" market as you make it out to be. It's a fraudulent market that results in prices way higher than they should be.

 

[OpenWheels]

First of all, homefield advantage is just that. If we got 0 tickets, so be it. That would be to our advantage if we had homefield, so I couldn't possibly care less about that.

As for the inflated price, it's 1000% the resale markets fault. That isn't a result of someone buying tickets with honest intentions. That's someone buying them with no intention of going to the game but just to play middle man, mark the prices up just to gain profit. That's not a "fair" market as you make it out to be. It's a fraudulent market that results in prices way higher than they should be.

So why do you get to be the arbiter of whether someone else's reasons are as pure as yours? That's ridiculous

And most or all, ARE bought by those following the school allocation rules.

Some are bought by middle men. Which makes it more likely not less that those want to go to the game get to go. Because they're on a marketplace, rather than some made up system with restrictions you find virtuous, but a large group of others may not.

 

[YOTHN]

So why do you get to be the arbiter of whether someone else's reasons are as pure as yours? That's ridiculous

And most or all, ARE bought by those following the school allocation rules.

Some are bought by middle men. Which makes it more likely not less that those want to go to the game get to go. Because they're on a marketplace, rather than some made up system with restrictions you find virtuous, but a large group of others may not.

2 can play that. Why did you get to be the arbiter? See, how fun is that?

I'm well aware how it works and the prices are jacked based on middle men. Again, it doesn't help ND so where is the home teams downside to eliminating the resale market?

 

[Brockettman]

If it is a playoff game then the visiting team should be offered more than 3 thousand tickets . If not have it at a neutral site say Lucas oil , and offer each school an equal amount of tickets . What a school doesn’t sell could then go on the open market . We just need to kick their ass up there , and then take it to Georgia.

 

[OpenWheels]

2 can play that. Why did you get to be the arbiter? See, how fun is that?

I'm well aware how it works and the prices are jacked based on middle men. Again, it doesn't help ND so where is the home teams downside to eliminating the resale market?

Two can't play at that, when only one wishes to play.

I'm not the arbiter. That's my point. It's freedom. For people to use their tickets or spending as they see fit.

But you want to be the arbiter and restrict their options.
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[YOTHN]

Two can't play at that, when only one wishes to play.

I'm not the arbiter. That's my point. It's freedom. For people to use their tickets or spending as they see fit.

But you want to be the arbiter and restrict their options.
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No, I'm not looking to restrict anyone's options. If they want a ticket, they can buy one. What are you talking about? If they want to get rid of it, they can. This only keeps the tickets at market value to negate scalpers. This isn't as hard as you're making it out to be.

 

[ams66]

No, I'm not looking to restrict anyone's options. If they want a ticket, they can buy one. What are you talking about? If they want to get rid of it, they can. This only keeps the tickets at market value to negate scalpers. This isn't as hard as you're making it out to be.

If the price of a ticket is below market demand you won’t be able to buy one because they’ll all already be sold. Price controls create shortages.

 

[OpenWheels]

Well, it's fine. School can set whatever restrictions they want. If they need to ban external markets because people won't return them of their own free will to be resold through the school they can. People can choose to buy or not under that knowledge. Fine with me.

But it doesn't keep them 'at market value'. Come on, that's your complaint. You saw market value, and view it as gouging.
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[YOTHN]

If the price of a ticket is below market demand you won’t be able to buy one because they’ll all already be sold. Price controls create shortages.

False. Go find major musicians that already do this. It's literally becoming more and more common to protect their fans from price gouging.

 

[OpenWheels]

False. Go find major musicians that already do this. It's literally becoming more and more common to protect their fans from price gouging.

No, it allows fans to be gouged for their time to get a ticket instead of money. They camp in lines overnight to get tickets, or sit with their phone dialing program starting at the right time (maybe they take the morning off of work or school) until they get through.

Other people prefer to trade money, in order to do something else. It's just as valid, and it shows market price in a dollar amount. The other market just doesn't show certain costs.

It's OK, musicians are free to restrict their markets however they want. Total value is reduced under market restrictions. But if they value one type of behavior over another to them it's worth it.
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[YOTHN]

Well, it's fine. School can set whatever restrictions they want. If they need to ban external markets because people won't return them of their own free will to be resold through the school they can. People can choose to buy or not under that knowledge. Fine with me.

But it doesn't keep them 'at market value'. Come on, that's your complaint. You saw market value, and view it as gouging.
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Market value, sorry I'm using the term the wrong way. I'm implying at the same value as the school posts the ticket for.

Currently, the same fans end up buying the tickets, just at a higher price. The tickets sell out early because of scalpers. My statement solves the problem you're referring to. Tickets at their admission price will be available longer. You don't need to pay a higher price to accommodate that. You're just thinking you do because of the situation we're in with scalpers.

 

[YOTHN]

No, it allows fans to be gouged for their time to get a ticket instead of money. They camp in lines overnight to get tickets, or sit with their phone dialing program starting at the right time (maybe they take the morning off of work or school) until they get through.

Other people prefer to trade money, in order to do something else. It's just as valid, and it shows market price in a dollar amount. The other market just doesn't show the costs.
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Tickets to the shows sell out, then there are constantly tickets getting released back up for sale because things come up or people realize they're not able to resell them. So you can often get them almost all the way up to the event.

 

[OpenWheels]

Sure, likely means some additional people with less money or who value a ticket less (in dollars) can go. But it also means some additional people with more money (or who value a ticket more) can't go.

Anyway, thanks for the discussion.

 

[cd_hoosiers]

Found it interesting that by sunday afternoon IU-ND tickets were $750+ while you could get TX-Clemson for as low as $225.

I should have bought when I first looked, but trading the grandkids Christmas for football tickets at 2x that probably would have cost my marriage.

Anyone have a reasonable line on 2 tix?

 

[YOTHN]

Sure, likely means some additional people with less money or who value a ticket less (in dollars) can go. But it also means some additional people with more money (or who value a ticket more) can't go.

Anyway, thanks for the discussion.

Not really, usually the seats go empty or to corporate donors. It's what went wrong with the NFL. Now it's more of a dead atmosphere. This keeps genuine fans in the seats, regardless of money and increases the homefield advantage.

 

[cd_hoosiers]

That said...thinking to next year...buy season tickets because we're gonna be hosting a game unless we grab a bye as B1G champs

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

If it is a playoff game then the visiting team should be offered more than 3 thousand tickets . If not have it at a neutral site say Lucas oil , and offer each school an equal amount of tickets . What a school doesn’t sell could then go on the open market . We just need to kick their ass up there , and then take it to Georgia.

Do NFL teams give visiting fans playoff tickets?

 

[Grateful Redbeard]

I'm a big Liverpool fan, and I have always loved the model they use for away fan ticket allocation. In the Premier League the away team gets a minimum of 3,000 tickets as long as the stadium has over 30,000 capacity. If they have less than 30,000 capacity, then the away team gets 10% of the overall capacity. They also get pitchside sections so they aren't all stuck up in the rafters. It makes for a loud and rowdy atmosphere. The main difference is that over there away fans do not sit in the home team sections. For example, you can't show up to a Liverpool match at Anfield in the other teams kit and sit with the home fans. It's simply not tolerated. There are even segregated entrances & exits, bathrooms, and concessions for the away fans. Keeps fights from happening which used to be a major issue over there.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/137864

https://ticket-compare.com/premier-...ay allocation in the,the seats in the stadium.

 

[Tammany Hall]

I'm a big Liverpool fan, and I have always loved the model they use for away fan ticket allocation. In the Premier League the away team gets a minimum of 3,000 tickets as long as the stadium has over 30,000 capacity. If they have less than 30,000 capacity, then the away team gets 10% of the overall capacity. They also get pitchside sections so they aren't all stuck up in the rafters. It makes for a loud and rowdy atmosphere. The main difference is that over there away fans do not sit in the home team sections. For example, you can't show up to a Liverpool match at Anfield in the other teams kit and sit with the home fans. It's simply not tolerated. There are even segregated entrances & exits, bathrooms, and concessions for the away fans. Keeps fights from happening which used to be a major issue over there.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/137864

https://ticket-compare.com/premier-league-away-ticket-allocations/#:~:text=The away allocation in the,the seats in the stadium.

FA Cup ups the away allocation quite a bit to 15%. I always liked that.

Btw it’s kinda funny how Newcastle is allowed to put the away fans in the rafters. I don’t really buy their excuses.

I like segregated home and away fans for the atmosphere and the visuals, but I’m also happy the old USA is (mostly) civilized enough for all fans to sit amongst each other without fighting too much.

 

[Grateful Redbeard]

FA Cup ups the away allocation quite a bit to 15%. I always liked that.

Btw it’s kinda funny how Newcastle is allowed to put the away fans in the rafters. I don’t really buy their excuses.

I like segregated home and away fans for the atmosphere and the visuals, but I’m also happy the old USA is (mostly) civilized enough for all fans to sit amongst each other without fighting too much.

Champions league is 5%. Carabao Cup is 10%. Like the size of the pitch, the away fans get different allocations at every stadium.

 

[jsenleo]

Do NFL teams give visiting fans playoff tickets?

Fans no... visiting TEAMS yes, obviously owners and some management, but I've had Colts season tickets for 41 years and never have away playoff tickets been offered to me or any other season ticket owners I know.

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

Fans no... visiting TEAMS yes, obviously owners and some management, but I've had Colts season tickets for 41 years and never have away playoff tickets been offered to me or any other season ticket owners I know.

Exactly. No other sport offers the visiting team/fans a substantial amount of tickets.