Allen has to get this defense fixed.

[drose]

That was unnecessarily close. I love that IU is 8-4, but I suspect we're not a lot better than last year.

Not acceptable.

That said, a win is a win and the bucket is where it belongs.

Oh, and POTFB.

 

[indy1203]

That was unnecessarily close. I love that IU is 8-4, but I suspect we're not a lot better than last year.

Not acceptable.

That said, a win is a win and the bucket is where it belongs.

Oh, and POTFB.

Hire the New Palestine coach.

 

[VanPastorMan]

That was unnecessarily close. I love that IU is 8-4, but I suspect we're not a lot better than last year.

Not acceptable.

That said, a win is a win and the bucket is where it belongs.

Oh, and POTFB.

Who do we blame for the knee catch? That was the craziest thing I have seen. I LOOKED UP AND SAID, LORD, are you for Purdue?

 

[Palmbeachhoosier]

Hire the New Palestine coach.

To do what? Maybe Franklin College will hire him.

 

[gmhowes]

That was unnecessarily close. I love that IU is 8-4, but I suspect we're not a lot better than last year.

Not acceptable.

That said, a win is a win and the bucket is where it belongs.

Oh, and POTFB.

Hard to defend with 10 players, gave them charity TD.

 

[SRIV94]

Logan Justus did our team an injustus.

 

[CDBRclass01]

That was unnecessarily close. I love that IU is 8-4, but I suspect we're not a lot better than last year.

Not acceptable.

That said, a win is a win and the bucket is where it belongs.

Oh, and POTFB.

Our offense can play.. O’Connell, Garvin And Horvath will be complimentary players next year

 

[indy1203]

To do what? Maybe Franklin College will hire him.

Defensive Coordinator, we are at the high
school level at that position now.

 

[76-1]

Our offense can play.. O’Connell, Garvin And Horvath will be complimentary players next year

While we're discussing how good you think you'll be next year..., did you happen to notice that your 6 million dollar man choked when it counted today and played for next OT rather than going for two and the win...,(?) this, when he clearly had the IU defense on the ropes...

If I were on your side of the fence I'd be feeling more than a little buyers remorse when it came to the wizard from Louisville right about now...

Can't wait to see what the Brohm lovers are saying this time next year after he struggles to duplicate this years record...

Which one of those 4 star receivers soon to signing is planning to bulk up and play the Offensive Tackle position (or is Brohm going to surprise them when they get there with that bit of information)...???

 

[Jg48]

Who do we blame for the knee catch? That was the craziest thing I have seen. I LOOKED UP AND SAID, LORD, are you for Purdue?

It will be remembered as the “meniscus reception”.

 

[Palmbeachhoosier]

Defensive Coordinator, we are at the high
school level at that position now.

New Pal looks to me like they win more on offense than defense. But hey I am only a former high school coach what would I know.

 

[cryano]

While we're discussing how good you think you'll be next year..., did you happen to notice that your 6 million dollar man choked when it counted today and played for next OT rather than going for two and the win...,(?) this, when he clearly had the IU defense on the ropes...

If I were on your side of the fence I'd be feeling more than a little buyers remorse when it came to the wizard from Louisville right about now...

Can't wait to see what the Brohm lovers are saying this time next year after he struggles to duplicate this years record...

Which one of those 4 star receivers soon to signing is planning to bulk up and play the Offensive Tackle position (or is Brohm going to surprise them when they get there with that bit of information)...???

easy - they scheduled TCU and Nevada...which could easily instead been 2 no name guaranteed wins...

 

[HereYouGoIU]

Logan Justus did our team an injustus.

Boooo. $hitty pun

 

[HereYouGoIU]

Our offense can play.. O’Connell, Garvin And Horvath will be complimentary players next year

Yet, you still lost. No “we played a good game”’crap.

Purdue. Lost. At home. to IU

Hoosiers win the bucket. Go away and come back next year to see if you have a better than 4-8 team.

 

[CDBRclass01]

Yet, you still lost. No “we played a good game”’crap.

Purdue. Lost. At home. to IU

Hoosiers win the bucket. Go away and come back next year to see if you have a better than 4-8 team.

We did lose. You were the better team. You know how I know? If any of your receivers had a pass thrown at their chest like the one wright dropped, they catch it.

I don’t do this woulda coulda shoulda bs. Nice win, but our offense played well. I wish our D was good enough early on. They were not

 

[Indianaftw]

We cant get a pass rush! Hagan needs to either go or try a new position. We need a dline coach.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

That was unnecessarily close. I love that IU is 8-4, but I suspect we're not a lot better than last year.

Not acceptable.

That said, a win is a win and the bucket is where it belongs.

Oh, and POTFB.

I have some observations about yesterday and the D in general---

--I'd like to see Allen turn the O over to DeBoer (assuming he's back) and spend his time next Spring almost entirely with the D. That's assuming he's not ready to dump Womack altogether. He has to do something drastic there.

--I was shocked we didn't have a better plan for Hopkins yesterday On the big 3rd down play near their goal line, he went in motion toward the near side of the field> Cam Jones was tracking him across the back of the defense but needed to be another 5 yards or so closer to the sideline. He just got badly out-flanked. Either lazy or dumb on his part in a crucial situation...

--We didn't see the player development on the D I would have hoped for. It seemed like Cam Jones was making more players earlier in the year. Fitz was a big disappointment. Ziemba was really handled yesterday. Matthews & Ball were unpredictable, Burgess, underwhelming. I still think Jaylin Williams & Jamar Johnson can be players.....they haven't come on as fast as you would have hoped.

--If any of our guys other than Mullen had covered Bell he would have had 20 catches for 250 yards. Mullen is a stud, all over the field playing the run & the pass. Reece also showed yesterday that he can be a play maker.

--It's easy to be critical of McFaden but his effort is right up there with Mullen. I don't get the late hit call late in the game. The TV announcer said he thought it was where he hit the QB rather than a true late hit, but that makes no sense. If that was the case it would have been a targeting call.

--Losing Craig to Iowa is looking like a big recruiting loss right now. We needed a big-time pass rusher in this class. I'm still hoping that Norris can be a PR specialist by the end of next year. I would have thought that Robbins would have played a little yesterday if they thought he was ready to play.

--Person really made a nice play late in regulation on Harvath, next to the sideline. He runs pretty well.

 

[fkfootball]

Our entire staff on defense should be turned over. Not much development or discipline there.


Our O-Line is the same way. Allen looks fine as a Head Coach. But his staff is underwhelming outside of DeBoer, Hart, and Heard. Inge has been OK, the special teams don’t make many mistakes I guess.

 

[fieldjock]

I liked our O line play yesterday. That wasn’t the problem. . Womack is in way over his head. It’s not what Tom Allen had envisioned for sure. I would say most of its lack of lining up right and being ready. Other part is pass rush, getting off blocks and very poor coverage technique. We get beat long way too often. Safety play is horrendous

 

[Al Bino]

--It's easy to be critical of McFaden but his effort is right up there with Mullen. I don't get the late hit call late in the game. The TV announcer said he thought it was where he hit the QB rather than a true late hit, but that makes no sense. If that was the case it would have been a targeting call.

Watching my recording this morning I rewound several plays and McFaden had a REALLY bad game, IMO. The run that was PU's longest of the season was right up the middle, right where McFaden should have been. He was lined up on the right offensive side along the D line. It was an easy block to open up the middle.

Then on the next long run he was still moving and looking over to the sideline. Maybe that is a coaching problem too but he was burned once again.

Then the two penalties. I don't even recall his name being called for tackels, maybe I missed it. Wasn't a good day for him.

 

[Al Bino]

Our entire staff on defense should be turned over. Not much development or discipline there.


Our O-Line is the same way. Allen looks fine as a Head Coach. But his staff is underwhelming outside of DeBoer, Hart, and Heard. Inge has been OK, the special teams don’t make many mistakes I guess.

I agree, CTA needs to be very critical in his evaluation of the staff this year especially on the defensive side of the ball.

Wholesale changes might not be called for but it is CTA's career and IMO, he needs to limit how his personal feelings affect this program.

Always look to improve.

 

[DANC]

Our entire staff on defense should be turned over. Not much development or discipline there.


Our O-Line is the same way. Allen looks fine as a Head Coach. But his staff is underwhelming outside of DeBoer, Hart, and Heard. Inge has been OK, the special teams don’t make many mistakes I guess.

The O-Line is a strength of this team.

Geez......

 

[DANC]

Watching my recording this morning I rewound several plays and McFaden had a REALLY bad game, IMO. The run that was PU's longest of the season was right up the middle, right where McFaden should have been. He was lined up on the right offensive side along the D line. It was an easy block to open up the middle.

Then on the next long run he was still moving and looking over to the sideline. Maybe that is a coaching problem too but he was burned once again.

Then the two penalties. I don't even recall his name being called for tackels, maybe I missed it. Wasn't a good day for him.

McFadden was all over the field and certainly made tackles.

Cam Jones was the culprit on those big runs. They took him out after the 2nd long run.

 

[MMcCormick]

Their defense just comes across as poorly coached period. Wommack certainly looks in over his head, but Allen should have a better grip on the D and he doesn't. He's a great recruiter, and motivator, and program administrator and made a career saving hire in Kalen Deboer, but he's got to do the same thing on defense. Deboer may be more important than Allen to this program right now. The guy has done an incredible job. The defensive issue is certainly not an effort issue. They are just always out of position. Allen does so many things well, it's just surprising that the defensive positioning is so out of whack.

 

[SRIV94]

Boooo. $hitty pun

Most puns usually are.

 

[Al Bino]

McFadden was all over the field and certainly made tackles.

Cam Jones was the culprit on those big runs. They took him out after the 2nd long run.

I don't know about that. I replayed those two plays in particular and it sure appeared to me that MM was out of position especially on the long one. He was on the line and was easily walled off. NOW, maybe Jones was supposed to fill his spot.

MM was credited with 2 tackles and 2 assists. Not what I would call a stellar game for a middle linebacker. I think he has been great all year but IMO, the PU game was not one of his best.

 

[IUXC68]

That was unnecessarily close. I love that IU is 8-4, but I suspect we're not a lot better than last year.

Not acceptable.

That said, a win is a win and the bucket is where it belongs.

Oh, and POTFB.

So, in your book, a win must meet certain parameters or it is not acceptable? Strange.

 

[Indianaftw]

I liked our O line play yesterday. That wasn’t the problem. Womack is in way over his head. It’s not what Tom Allen had envisioned for sure. I would say most of its lack of lining up right and being ready. Other part is pass rush, getting off blocks and very poor coverage technique. We get beat long way too often. Safety play is horrendous

2nd half our o-line sucked in pass protection. Granted part of that is Ramsey holds on to the ball way to long. But we had breakdowns yesterday in the 2nd half, especially in the red zone

 

[DANC]

I don't know about that. I replayed those two plays in particular and it sure appeared to me that MM was out of position especially on the long one. He was on the line and was easily walled off. NOW, maybe Jones was supposed to fill his spot.

MM was credited with 2 tackles and 2 assists. Not what I would call a stellar game for a middle linebacker. I think he has been great all year but IMO, the PU game was not one of his best.

If he's on the line, he's there probably for pass rush. It looked to me like Jones was out of position on both runs and he was taken out.

But I don't know who was supposed to be where - and I don't think the players did, either.

I didn't say he had a stellar game - few Defensive players did, obviously. But he did put pressure on in pass rushes. He did get burned when he slipped on pass defense on one TD, if I remember correctly.

A middle linebacker isn't a middle linebacker if he's playing on the line.

 

[Palmbeachhoosier]

You this whole thread is pretty stupid and really irrelevant. I am really sure that has probably watched this game at least twice already. I am sure he will go over the issues that have taken place and determine whether the issues are scheme, players or coaching. What ever the issue is I am sure they will be addressed. But first order of business is to get out and lock my recruits before Early Signing Period. Then on to bowl preparations. If anyone is tone let go it will be done before the convention I am sure. Until then there is no reason for speculation.

 

[DANC]

2nd half our o-line sucked in pass protection. Granted part of that is Ramsey holds on to the ball way to long. But we had breakdowns yesterday in the 2nd half, especially in the red zone

Yeah, that'll happen when you have our LT playing out of position and a new RT playing.

The right side was a sieve. We finally moved a blocker to that side, but PU was overloading that side. We should have rolled Ramsey out more, but I really haven't seen many designed QB rollout plays this year.

 

[JIMSHAM]

easy - they scheduled TCU and Nevada...which could easily instead been 2 no name guaranteed wins...

Oh yes--the vaunted Nevada juggernaut

 

[Crossblock]

If this team is going to take the next step, the Defense has to be improved. The problem here is that the problems go through the entire Defense, and there isn't a quick plug in fix at one or two positions.

On the Defensive Line, we have too many guys who can't get off blocks, get penetration to disrupt plays in the backfield, or have the quickness or moves to get a consistent pass rush.

McFadden is OK at Middle linebacker, but certainly has room for improvement. Maybe we need to forget about the Husky Position and get a heavier player at that position to take on the run. We can still have a lighter faster player at the other Outside Linebacker Position.

The Defensive Backfield is a hot mess. Mullen is fine and will only get better. Williams and Johnson show signs of being decent Big Ten Players. The Safeties are terrible. Too many missed assignments, missed tackles and poor angles toward the ball or ball carrier. In general someone has to teach these guys how to aggressively Defend without getting pass interference/holding penalties by being out of position.

The one other thing this Defense has to do is learn how to get themselves off the field on third down. Too many series where they play tough on the first two downs to put a team behind the chains, and then give up a 15 or 20 yard play for a first down.

 

[Tegray1]

We are 71% freshmen and sophomores. How are we not better next year? We lose 13 scholarship seniors.

That was unnecessarily close. I love that IU is 8-4, but I suspect we're not a lot better than last year.

Not acceptable.

That said, a win is a win and the bucket is where it belongs.

Oh, and POTFB.

 

[Walt542]

We are 71% freshmen and sophomores. How are we not better next year? We lose 13 scholarship seniors.

This is entirely true. We are very young on defense. We make a lot of mistakes older more experience players will not make. We also play a risky defense at times and it does burn us occasionally.

I don’t think it is time to throw the towel in on Wommack just yet. You gotta give him a couple of years with these guys to see what he can do with them before you can judge him properly. He does have to keep the recruiting momentum up though.

 

[DANC]

This is entirely true. We are very young on defense. We make a lot of mistakes older more experience players will not make. We also play a risky defense at times and it does burn us occasionally.

I don’t think it is time to throw the towel in on Wommack just yet. You gotta give him a couple of years with these guys to see what he can do with them before you can judge him properly. He does have to keep the recruiting momentum up though.

I don't know about Wommack. We're not any better now on Defense than we were against BSU.

Giving up big plays, confusion with the players (many times Saturday we had guys looking to the sidelines WHEN THE BALL WAS SNAPPED), stupid penalties...... it doesn't add up to a competent Defense.

We waited too long to replace Mallory as DC. I want someone proven back there. We got DeBoer when the Offense last year wasn't as bad as the Defense this year.

Allen needs to do what's right for IU and not be swayed by his friendship toward Wommack.

 

[Tegray1]

We need a Safeties Coach first! If you are going to make your safeties play man yo better get to the QB and have great cover safeties.

I don't know about Wommack. We're not any better now on Defense than we were against BSU.

Giving up big plays, confusion with the players (many times Saturday we had guys looking to the sidelines WHEN THE BALL WAS SNAPPED), stupid penalties...... it doesn't add up to a competent Defense.

We waited too long to replace Mallory as DC. I want someone proven back there. We got DeBoer when the Offense last year wasn't as bad as the Defense this year.

Allen needs to do what's right for IU and not be swayed by his friendship toward Wommack.

 

[DANC]

We need a Safeties Coach first! If you are going to make your safeties play man yo better get to the QB and have great cover safeties.

Teegardin is a favorite whipping boy, but he's not calling the plays and he's not the ones the players are looking to when they don't know their assignments.

 

[Tegray1]

He's teaching the coverage and technique. Part of Allen's new contract should be to allow him more money in the coaches pool. How much money would we get by going to the Gator Bowl?

Fitzgerald has been awful.
Burgess marginally better.
Matthews no improvement.
Thank goodness for K. Bryant.

Teegardin is a favorite whipping boy, but he's not calling the plays and he's not the ones the players are looking to when they don't know their assignments.

 

[DANC]

He's teaching the coverage and technique. Part of Allen's new contract should be to allow him more money in the coaches pool. How much money would we get by going to the Gator Bowl?

Fitzgerald has been awful.
Burgess marginally better.
Matthews no improvement.
Thank goodness for K. Bryant.

Coverage is dictated by what kind of Defense you're playing.

If your Safeties wait to turn and run when the WR is even with them, they're going to get beat every time.

I think that's all on the coverage called. But I'm not an expert and don't pretend to be. I just know what I'm seeing and what I'm seeing are players being out of position to make the play and that situation is not confined to Safeties.

I'll worry about technique when they're in position to make the the play.