A year too soon, or a year too late? Indiana wanted no part of these questions last season.

[Jim Coyle]

You have heard me talk about the article posted a year ago regarding the tenuous situation of Mike Woodson as Indiana's basketball coach. While many of us already thought the current move should have happened after last season, Indiana athletics did not want to deal with those questions and requested the story be taken down. Did I have to do that? No, but there would have been consequences. Do I regret taking it down? Absolutely, yes. I think about it all the time and it I had it to do over again I would have made a different decision and tried to mitigate the consequences. Regardless, here is the story you did not get to read.

I do request that you respect the fact we have already had to deal with IU Athletics in this and do not repost it outside of this site. Thank you.

 

[Orbit7958]

a year too late, of course

 

[VanPastorMan]

You have heard me talk about the article posted a year ago regarding the tenuous situation of Mike Woodson as Indiana's basketball coach. While many of us already thought the current move should have happened after last season, Indiana athletics did not want to deal with those questions and requested the story be taken down. Did I have to do that? No, but there would have been consequences. Do I regret taking it down? Absolutely, yes. I think about it all the time and it I had it to do over again I would have made a different decision and tried to mitigate the consequences. Regardless, here is the story you did not get to read.

I do request that you respect the fact we have already had to deal with IU Athletics in this and do not repost it outside of this site. Thank you.

Jim, always appreciate your work. I don't speak for all IU fans, but I was snookered by the hype about how much talent Indiana had coming in. I was snookered until I saw them play. They don't play together, and they don't play smart basketball. How long has it been where we can say IU is a good to great shooting team? I believe we are year too late. The whole program needs to be drastically dismantled and start a new.

 

[RespecttheStars]

Jim, always appreciate your work. I don't speak for all IU fans, but I was snookered by the hype about how much talent Indiana had coming in. I was snookered until I saw them play. They don't play together, and they don't play smart basketball. How long has it been where we can say IU is a good to great shooting team? I believe we are year too late. The whole program needs to be drastically dismantled and start a new.

ie: Culture reset.

That meaning: Quit trying to BUY it and BUILD it.

Dolson said in plain
terms that:
we are well positioned to BUY it again.
Coach and players.
How’s that worked out so
far?
Who’s money we using to get it done?
Somebody sad/mad.

I hear it’s all to blame so far on the”wrong purchases” etc.

Is it?

What gets your drawers tight in the next month??

Wins alone? The prospect of future wins?
Or legit respect as a program as we had in the past?

I guess it depends on how we’d like to
win and for how long.

Culture……. It’s a thing.

What say you?

 

[Jim Coyle]

Jim, always appreciate your work. I don't speak for all IU fans, but I was snookered by the hype about how much talent Indiana had coming in. I was snookered until I saw them play. They don't play together, and they don't play smart basketball. How long has it been where we can say IU is a good to great shooting team? I believe we are year too late. The whole program needs to be drastically dismantled and start a new.

Thank you Van, I am grateful to have the opportunity to get to communicate with all of you. A lot of people complain that we don't "break news" on here. Truth be told, it is usually ESPN or the like that get's to do that stuff because the information is given to them from inside. We try our very best to cover the programs in every way possible. But, unlike ESPN, et al, we get handcuffed by IU on a lot of stuff, like the above.

I have to be honest, even I though Mike Woodson could do something with this team. You have to work hard by not working at all to screw up the season like Woodson has. It is unbelievable to me that any coach could be as bas as Woodson actually is. He has more resources around him than any coach in the country and has done so much less with so much more it is coaching malpractice. The saddest part of all is that he is OBLIVIOUS to it all. I believe he thought he was coming back next season without question. He had no idea how bd today was going to look if this announcement had not been made.

There were a smattering of boos ad=s IU went into the locker-room trailing Duty May and Michigan 43-27.

We will continue working hard during the coaching search and we will see what happens.

 

[VanPastorMan]

ie: Culture reset.

That meaning: Quit trying to BUY it and BUILD it.

Dolson said in plain
terms that:
we are well positioned to BUY it again.
Coach and players.
How’s that worked out so
far?
Who’s money we using to get it done?
Somebody sad/mad.

I hear it’s all to blame so far on the”wrong purchases” etc.

Is it?

What gets your drawers tight in the next month??

Wins alone? The prospect of future wins?
Or legit respect as a program as we had in the past?

I guess it depends on how we’d like to
win and for how long.

Culture……. It’s a thing.

What say you?

It used to be that IU's culture was about winning. IU was known as a smart team on offense, hard working team on defense, and a nightmare for the opposition. What are we known for now? What do we do well?

 

[Jim Coyle]

ie: Culture reset.

That meaning: Quit trying to BUY it and BUILD it.

Dolson said in plain
terms that:
we are well positioned to BUY it again.
Coach and players.
How’s that worked out so
far?
Who’s money we using to get it done?
Somebody sad/mad.

I hear it’s all to blame so far on the”wrong purchases” etc.

Is it?

What gets your drawers tight in the next month??

Wins alone? The prospect of future wins?
Or legit respect as a program as we had in the past?

I guess it depends on how we’d like to
win and for how long.

Culture……. It’s a thing.

What say you?

It is a combination of building with players and those you can bring in. That has had little to do with the horrible product on the floor. The coaching has just sucked, it has been atrociously bad and would continue to be bad no matter who the player are or where they come from. Culture comes from the coach. It starts with discipline and respect, none of which does this team possess. IMO.

 

[td75]

Indiana is a football school; embrace the hell out of it!!!

 

[Jim Coyle]

It used to be that IU's culture was about winning. IU was known as a smart team on offense, hard working team on defense, and a nightmare for the opposition. What are we known for now? What do we do well?

All of that came from the coach. Look at Cignetti. You cannot make a turn around like that without having total respect and buy-in from the players.

 

[Jim Coyle]

Indiana is a football school; embrace the hell out of it!!!

They can be both if they do not screw this next hire up.

 

[dr.jb]

They can be both if they do not screw this next hire up.

but if history is any indication, you know they will.......or rather to the point of your article

they already have

 

[Harpo Marxist]

Woody's legacy as a coach would not have been complete without this season. The NIL and portal roster would have been a "woulda, coulda, shoulda" had he been let go last year. Instead, he was allowed to buy this roster and use it as he saw fit. The results put to rest any doubts about a premature termination. IU basically did its due diligence in the separation phase of this transition. Now....the other half of the due diligence comes into play and is even more important. IU can move on without controversy or questions.

 

[Jim Coyle]

Woody's legacy as a coach would not have been complete without this season. The NIL and portal roster would have been a "woulda, coulda, shoulda" had he been let go last year. Instead, he was allowed to buy this roster and use it as he saw fit. The results put to rest any doubts about a premature termination. IU basically did its due diligence in the separation phase of this transition. Now....the other half of the due diligence comes into play and is even more important. IU can move on without controversy or questions.

I agree, that is precisely why I said he had to be allowed to finish this season. But Indiana should he made the move last season, they would be winning now and no one would really care what Woodson or his supporters had to say about it.

 

[RespecttheStars]

All of that came from the coach. Look at Cignetti. You cannot make a turn around like that without having total respect and buy-in from the players.

And shit ton of 26 year olds and money.

Next two years will tell that tale and I hope it only continues to grow.

2024 is a NIL/Portal aberration until he makes it not one.
The only great coaches have had horses. Will they continue to sign up for cash or culture? Both would be nice.
Time will tell.

Sustained competitiveness.
The only goal.