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A call for radical reactionaries

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Damn. Something's wrong then. Most I could get was an Accord.
*sarcasm*

I just traded in my vehicle instead of putting out $5,600 for a transmission repair. In the lot was a used Corvette for $92,000, next to one that was $102,000. I won't be buying one anytime soon.
 
Over the last 100 years,, you don't see how art, food, music, and even our government have been changed by technology? Absolutely every thing you have ever eaten in your life has been changed by changes in technology over the last 100-150 years. Nearly every piece of music you have ever heard has been changed. Nearly every piece of art--music, tv, movies-- couldn't have existed 120 years ago.

As for the basic societal institutions, marriage and its place in our culture has been radically altered by pornography and its ease of access, birth control, and abortion, social media hooks ups to name just a few things.

Going back further and more obviously, the printing press radically altered European culture and helped usher in the Reformation--not sure you can have a bigger change in culture.

Regarding government, check out Shield of Achilles, for the argument that military technological advancements causally affect constitutional changes in government as state's figure out how to protect themselves:

You might have a point.

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I didn't know if another thread on AI made sense, but this seems like a call for radical reactionaries to AI:



Last time we had rivals in terms of intelligence they were cousins to our species, like Homo Neanderthalensis, Homo erectus, Homo floresiensis, Homo denisova, and more. Nine such species existed 300,000 years ago.

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All dead, except us. We almost certainly killed them. Oh, there’s academic quibbling about this, but that’s to be expected. Let’s be real: after a bit of in-breeding we likely murdered the lot. Maybe we were slightly smarter, maybe some cultural practices made us superior in war (although perhaps not in peace); whatever it was, some small difference was enough to ensure the genocide fell in our favor. A minority of scientists even think that Neanderthals, who were already occupying Europe, were literally engaged in a 100,000-year territorial war with Homo sapiens, fought where Africa meets Europe, and us breaking out of Africa was literally the tide of an ancient grudge battle shifting. Or maybe there was no war. Maybe we just filled their niche better and hunted better and they dwindled away, out-competed. Either way, they’re dead. And we’re all that’s left.

The faces above were our relatives. What do you think happens in the long run, whether it be years, decades, or centuries, when we’re competing for supremacy on Earth against entities that don’t share any of our DNA, let alone over 99% of it? If you think you and your children can’t cough to death from AI-generated pathogens, or get hunted by murderbot drones, you haven’t been paying attention to how weird the world can get. That is absolutely a possible future now.

The simplest stance on AI safety is that corporations don’t get to decide if we have competitors as a species. Because creating competitors to your species bears huge unknown risks. It’s like a tribe of Neanderthals happily inviting Homo sapiens into their camp—Welcome, welcome, here’s food and a comfy fire. I’m sure nothing bad will come of this, in fact, I’m sure we’ll benefit from you being here! Think of all the advances in hunting you’ll enable!

The intelligences like Sydney tech companies are now making are not human, they never will be, and only dumb species purposefully create potential rivals to get a financial return on investment. Only dumb species create rivals because they think it’s a cool career, or because it’s fun to play around with in a chat window, or to get a slightly superior search bar. Disconnected from us evolutionarily, sharing none of our genetic predispositions nor limitations, AIs are mechanical snakes in the grass, and the universe might be littered with civilizations who made the same mistake. Just like it might be littered with radioactive ruins or planets choked by greenhouse gases. And random companies with greedy eyes on trillion-dollar marketcaps should not be the ones deciding whether competitors to our sons and daughters exist. The public and the government should decide that, after a lot of debate, and with a hefty roll of red tape.
 
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I didn't know if another thread on AI made sense, but this seems like a call for radical reactionaries to AI:



Last time we had rivals in terms of intelligence they were cousins to our species, like Homo Neanderthalensis, Homo erectus, Homo floresiensis, Homo denisova, and more. Nine such species existed 300,000 years ago.

denisovans
Source
All dead, except us. We almost certainly killed them. Oh, there’s academic quibbling about this, but that’s to be expected. Let’s be real: after a bit of in-breeding we likely murdered the lot. Maybe we were slightly smarter, maybe some cultural practices made us superior in war (although perhaps not in peace); whatever it was, some small difference was enough to ensure the genocide fell in our favor. A minority of scientists even think that Neanderthals, who were already occupying Europe, were literally engaged in a 100,000-year territorial war with Homo sapiens, fought where Africa meets Europe, and us breaking out of Africa was literally the tide of an ancient grudge battle shifting. Or maybe there was no war. Maybe we just filled their niche better and hunted better and they dwindled away, out-competed. Either way, they’re dead. And we’re all that’s left.

The faces above were our relatives. What do you think happens in the long run, whether it be years, decades, or centuries, when we’re competing for supremacy on Earth against entities that don’t share any of our DNA, let alone over 99% of it? If you think you and your children can’t cough to death from AI-generated pathogens, or get hunted by murderbot drones, you haven’t been paying attention to how weird the world can get. That is absolutely a possible future now.

The simplest stance on AI safety is that corporations don’t get to decide if we have competitors as a species. Because creating competitors to your species bears huge unknown risks. It’s like a tribe of Neanderthals happily inviting Homo sapiens into their camp—Welcome, welcome, here’s food and a comfy fire. I’m sure nothing bad will come of this, in fact, I’m sure we’ll benefit from you being here! Think of all the advances in hunting you’ll enable!

The intelligences like Sydney tech companies are now making are not human, they never will be, and only dumb species purposefully create potential rivals to get a financial return on investment. Only dumb species create rivals because they think it’s a cool career, or because it’s fun to play around with in a chat window, or to get a slightly superior search bar. Disconnected from us evolutionarily, sharing none of our genetic predispositions nor limitations, AIs are mechanical snakes in the grass, and the universe might be littered with civilizations who made the same mistake. Just like it might be littered with radioactive ruins or planets choked by greenhouse gases. And random companies with greedy eyes on trillion-dollar marketcaps should not be the ones deciding whether competitors to our sons and daughters exist. The public and the government should decide that, after a lot of debate, and with a hefty roll of red tape.


Too late.

I won't pretend to understand most of what is going on with AI but at about 42:10 in the video below is a most disturbing report. If I were starting out today, I think I'd be a plumber.

 
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I didn't know if another thread on AI made sense, but this seems like a call for radical reactionaries to AI:



Last time we had rivals in terms of intelligence they were cousins to our species, like Homo Neanderthalensis, Homo erectus, Homo floresiensis, Homo denisova, and more. Nine such species existed 300,000 years ago.

denisovans
Source
All dead, except us. We almost certainly killed them. Oh, there’s academic quibbling about this, but that’s to be expected. Let’s be real: after a bit of in-breeding we likely murdered the lot. Maybe we were slightly smarter, maybe some cultural practices made us superior in war (although perhaps not in peace); whatever it was, some small difference was enough to ensure the genocide fell in our favor. A minority of scientists even think that Neanderthals, who were already occupying Europe, were literally engaged in a 100,000-year territorial war with Homo sapiens, fought where Africa meets Europe, and us breaking out of Africa was literally the tide of an ancient grudge battle shifting. Or maybe there was no war. Maybe we just filled their niche better and hunted better and they dwindled away, out-competed. Either way, they’re dead. And we’re all that’s left.

The faces above were our relatives. What do you think happens in the long run, whether it be years, decades, or centuries, when we’re competing for supremacy on Earth against entities that don’t share any of our DNA, let alone over 99% of it? If you think you and your children can’t cough to death from AI-generated pathogens, or get hunted by murderbot drones, you haven’t been paying attention to how weird the world can get. That is absolutely a possible future now.

The simplest stance on AI safety is that corporations don’t get to decide if we have competitors as a species. Because creating competitors to your species bears huge unknown risks. It’s like a tribe of Neanderthals happily inviting Homo sapiens into their camp—Welcome, welcome, here’s food and a comfy fire. I’m sure nothing bad will come of this, in fact, I’m sure we’ll benefit from you being here! Think of all the advances in hunting you’ll enable!

The intelligences like Sydney tech companies are now making are not human, they never will be, and only dumb species purposefully create potential rivals to get a financial return on investment. Only dumb species create rivals because they think it’s a cool career, or because it’s fun to play around with in a chat window, or to get a slightly superior search bar. Disconnected from us evolutionarily, sharing none of our genetic predispositions nor limitations, AIs are mechanical snakes in the grass, and the universe might be littered with civilizations who made the same mistake. Just like it might be littered with radioactive ruins or planets choked by greenhouse gases. And random companies with greedy eyes on trillion-dollar marketcaps should not be the ones deciding whether competitors to our sons and daughters exist. The public and the government should decide that, after a lot of debate, and with a hefty roll of red tape.
Holy crap...talk about a rabbit hole.
Thank you for posting these absolutely fascinating (and frightening) links, Brad. I've been reading up on all this stuff for a couple of hours now.
 
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Holy crap...talk about a rabbit hole.
Thank you for posting these absolutely fascinating (and frightening) links, Brad. I've been reading up on all this stuff for a couple of hours now.
You going to be able to sleep tonight?
 
Holy crap...talk about a rabbit hole.
Thank you for posting these absolutely fascinating (and frightening) links, Brad. I've been reading up on all this stuff for a couple of hours now.
 
When the buggy whip makers went out of work, there were car manufacturers you could go work for. You still needed people working jobs. Lots of people. AI isn't changing what you build, it is changing who will build it and it won't just be replacing blue collar work, it will start replacing white collar as well. Your need for a human lawyer will decrease for a whole host of items. Accountants become less necessary. You don't need service workers. Logistics will be moved by programmed robots.

It is going back to the serf days but at least back in those days there was at least menial labor to keep people busy. You won't need that anymore either as the Roomba mops and cleans, a John Deere robot does agriculture, etc. So what you end up with is a whole bunch of idle humans with nothing to do. That invariably will mean people acting out. You will have to have an authoritarian and repressive regime to keep people in line. You can look at our inner cities and low income rural areas and catch just a small glimpse of what people who feel that they have no upward mobility and receive subsistence payments live like.

The chances of this going Star Trek are slim.
 
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I am more than ready for most of the fast food workers to be replaced.
But then what happens to them?

Having a big, struggling underclass isn't very conducive to stability in a society.
 
But then what happens to them?

Having a big, struggling underclass isn't very conducive to stability in a society.
Don't know, but I'm tired of lousy service. If jobs were harder to find, maybe there'd be more motivation for people to do their actual jobs.

Sorry - I don't have much tolerance for moody employees who won't look me in the eye when taking my order. And then getting the order wrong.

I'm sure there will be some government program to pay them for not working. Sorry to be cynical, but that's how things are these days.
 
Don't know, but I'm tired of lousy service. If jobs were harder to find, maybe there'd be more motivation for people to do their actual jobs.

Sorry - I don't have much tolerance for moody employees who won't look me in the eye when taking my order. And then getting the order wrong.

I'm sure there will be some government program to pay them for not working. Sorry to be cynical, but that's how things are these days.
Need a tissue?
 
But then what happens to them?

Having a big, struggling underclass isn't very conducive to stability in a society.

Which begs the question, why the wide open border on the south to let even more of a struggling underclass in?
 
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