Kevin Wilson is 6-29 in Big Ten play. I knew it was bad. I'm not sure I even thought it was that poor. I still contend IU is not a coaching issue as there are so many more issues but six wins in 4-plus years is really poor.
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I've been defending Wilson mostly because I'm convinced a fire/hire will just bring in another wannabe with another five year excuse built in. I'd rather retain Wilson and improve the assistants but I'm not sure that will bring in any better coaching than what we have now.
But 6-29 will get you fired most places, right or wrong. Still, I don't think Glass is ready to give up on him with just two more years on his contract. We're paying off enough ex-coaches as it is, or was. He's got two seasons to get it right or the axe will fall...and then we all lose. Imo...
When the attendance drops to 30,000 and then below that for the last 2 home games and......then next year when it reaches Dinardo levels and below, there is no coach that can survive that.
When Wilson tanks it the remainder of this year and goes 0-8 in conference play, he's gone.
Went to the Bloomington paper archives, as well as the Indy Star. Neither have anything about Wilson being IU's 4th choice when he was hired. Care to post those names?
Look Big Red, you may be right, but don't be so sure. More people involved in the decision than Glass, and more at stake than just attendance. TV revenue has changed everything. We make more money there than ticket sales I'm pretty sure. I think Crean is the wild card. All skuttlebutt in Btown says this is it for Crean if he doesn't win big. His contract is already paid for and he's losing a lot of internal support. Dealing with losing your HCs of your top two money sports may not be something they cant handle in the same year. At least that's what my old business friends say, and one son of a board member. They could be wrong for sure. But that's why I've posted what I've posted, not to piss you off...vbg. By the way...you know me lol. Just been a long time.
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All seem to forget that Bill Mallory was 1-17 in the big ten his last two years. And he is considered the benchmark for success. Yes , I enjoyed his years of modest success. I believe the biggest problem we face is overcoming the
Problems associated with an unstable athletic department as a whole, which was a goal of President Brand.
There are few pretty grams which are successful when surrounded by chaos. Consider that in the ten year period from 2002 until 2012 we had 4 ADs. Dro, McNeeley, ? And Glass. Only Glass is an Alum. We had 4 bb coaches, Knight, Davis, Sampson and Crean. We had 4 football coaches DiNardo, Hoeppner, Lynch and Wilson. Not to mention that we had 3 university president, Brand, ? and McRobbie.
Now, I ask, would any well established successfull coach walk into an unstable situation like that?
The long term solution is to establish stability so that programs can grow and flourish. All the long term
Successful programs are built on stability ang growth, not chaos. We have a start w, Glass, Wilson and Crean.
I'm content to let the programs grow. I am willing to accept incremental progress judged by more then Win / loss
And academic success is a part of that equation. When the Time comes to replace a coach I long for the day when people are calling us because of their success and our stable supportive athletic department and staff.
Problems associated with an unstable athletic department as a whole, which was a goal of President Brand.
There are few pretty grams which are successful when surrounded by chaos. Consider that in the ten year period from 2002 until 2012 we had 4 ADs. Dro, McNeeley, ? And Glass. Only Glass is an Alum. We had 4 bb coaches, Knight, Davis, Sampson and Crean. We had 4 football coaches DiNardo, Hoeppner, Lynch and Wilson. Not to mention that we had 3 university president, Brand, ? and McRobbie.
Now, I ask, would any well established successfull coach walk into an unstable situation like that?
The long term solution is to establish stability so that programs can grow and flourish. All the long term
Successful programs are built on stability ang growth, not chaos. We have a start w, Glass, Wilson and Crean.
I'm content to let the programs grow. I am willing to accept incremental progress judged by more then Win / loss
And academic success is a part of that equation. When the Time comes to replace a coach I long for the day when people are calling us because of their success and our stable supportive athletic department and staff.
The voice of reason finally showed up. Best post I have seen in several weeks.
Except for the looney notion that Brand had a goal of destabilizing the athletic department, which is complete nonsense. Also, the "other" AD was Terry Clapacs, not Dro.
Brand was an arrogant, self-serving, manipulative ass in all aspects of his life but I don't think he had any pre-conceived plan to ruin IU athletics.
I don't know about whether he possessed those qualities in all aspects of his life, but he had and used them far too often during his time at IU and with the NCAA. And that's from someone who thought bob knight needed to go.
But it's crazy to suggest that he tried to create chaos in the athletic department, something he was ambivalent towards. He thought college sports was out of control and should be dialed down just like many do /did including knight.
Not sure I would describe it as 'chaos'.
All the problems seem to be with the basketball program. Football program has never won consistently so is that really a surprise? Soccer team won a championship a few years back. Baseball team went to the College World Series 3(?) years ago. First time in forever that a Big Ten team qualified.
How much involvement does an athetic dept have in the everyday running of a program? Does Glass show up at football practice and suggest defensive schemes? Does he go out on recruiting trips? Pass suggestions along about who to recruit and which states to recruit? I'm asking because I don't know and not trying to be abrasive.
This is exactly what I have been trying to get my IU friends to understand... I've found that the ones who are successful and have ANY business sense understand after you explain it... Outside of that, they don't get it. Kinda of like most on this forum.
It's still absurd to say that Brand intentionally tried to create chaos in the athletic department.
I have no problem with that record if he is setting a base that will win for the long term. Each year we are playing teams tougher and beating those we should. If it is a slow climb, so be it. 100+ years of conventional wisdom has produced 9 Bowl games and NO Rose Bowl wins. I would like to see how this plays out building slowly.
How many times are you going to say the same thing? We get it. You're a hater. I'm not even going to say you're wrong, but once you make a point just be a reader until you have a new point. You have over 8,600 posts and 191 likes received. Does that mean anything to you? Your constant beating of the same drum is tiresome. Geesh!
To be fair, likes weren't available until the board redesign a few months ago.
Granted, nobody likes my posts anyway, but it's not necessarily commensurate with post count.
I would say that Brand didn't necessarily want to see the IU sports program experience complete collapse, but I am convinced that he desired to experiment with the IU athletic department in order to effect his vision of reforms for college athletics. And I don't think it was good for IU.
That's crazy, and there's no evidence to support it. Tinfoil hat nuttiness at its best.
I don't see it your way but I commend your honesty. It's still nuttier than a fruitcake, but it's honest.
I feel great. You're the one offering delirious, nonsensical statements that aren't remotely true. If they need to medevac you, should I request a black helicopter?
