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Shucks, this story won't get one tenth of the news coverage of one pedophile coach at Penn State.


Grand-jury report says Catholic Church officials in the state failed to intervene and covered up crimes

By
Scott Calvert and
Kris Maher
Updated Aug. 14, 2018 6:58 p.m. ET


Catholic officials in Pennsylvania systematically covered up the molestation of more than 1,000 children by more than 300 priests over the past 70 years, according to a report released Tuesday on one of the most exhaustive investigations into the church’s sex-abuse scandal.

The scathing, 884-page grand-jury report details widespread abuse of boys and girls dating to the 1940s that it said shows a chronic failure by six of the eight Pennsylvania dioceses to protect young victims. Prior grand-jury reports found evidence of abuse in the two other dioceses, in Philadelphia and the Altoona-Johnstown area.

“The abuse scarred every diocese. The coverup was sophisticated. And all the while, church leadership kept records of the abuse,” Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro said at a news conference. The attorney general’s office launched the inquiry in 2016.

Mr. Shapiro, a Democrat, called it “the largest, most comprehensive report into child sexual abuse within the Catholic Church ever produced in the United States.” He said it builds on investigations dating back more than a decade that exposed clergy sex abuse in Boston and Philadelphia.

Tuesday’s report, combined with the previous two, amounts to the biggest statewide investigation of sex abuse in the church. In 2002, the Boston Globe reported that the Boston Archdiocese had systematically covered up clerical sex abuse and repeatedly moved offending priests to other parishes where they were able to abuse again. Mr. Shapiro said the Globe identified 229 “abuser priests,” revelations that led to Archbishop Bernard Law’s resignation.

Terry McKiernan, founder of BishopAccountability.org, a watchdog website, said the recent investigation is significant because, coupled with the prior reports, it provides “a picture of the entire clergy-abuse problem in Catholicism in Pennsylvania.”

The findings, Mr. Shapiro said, came largely from records kept by the dioceses. The files document allegations and admissions of abuse, he said, “corroborating accounts of victims and illustrating the organized coverup by senior church officials that stretched in some cases all the way to the Vatican.”

The Vatican declined to comment.

The Pennsylvania grand jury’s report said the roughly two-year inquiry found that bishops in the dioceses kept abuse complaints in “secret archives” locked in their offices, and that church officials regularly placed priests in ministry even after learning of allegations against them.

Many of the accused priests and other church officials named in the report are deceased. The names of some of those still alive are redacted in the report, under an order by the state Supreme Court.

Mr. Shapiro cited cases where investigations into complaints had been halted by a diocese to delay a case beyond a statute of limitations, or in one instance by a prosecutor to avoid negative publicity.

The Allentown Diocese said the allegations of abuse in the report are “abhorrent and tragic.”

“We apologize to everyone who has been hurt by the past actions of some members of the clergy,” the diocese said. “We know that these past actions have caused pain and mistrust for many people. The victims and survivors of abuse are in our prayers daily.”

Earlier this month, the Harrisburg Diocese, one of the six investigated, released the names of 71 priests and other church personnel accused of child-sex abuse, and its bishop detailed measures aimed at protecting youth.

The investigation into the six dioceses has led to criminal charges against two priests who are no longer in active ministry. One pleaded guilty last month to sexually assaulting a 10-year-old boy. The other is charged with molesting two boys over years and has pleaded not guilty. That case is pending.

In one example from the report, a priest in the Allentown Diocese, when confronted about an abuse complaint, admitted to sexually molesting a boy and said, “Please help me.” According to the report, “the diocese concluded that ‘the experience will not necessarily be a horrendous trauma’ for the victim, and that the family should just be given ‘an opportunity to ventilate.’ ”

One allegation that a priest forced a 9-year-old boy to perform oral sex and then rinsed the boy’s mouth out with holy water was found credible by prosecutors, but the abuse was outside the statute of limitations. Another priest admitted to raping a girl decades earlier, including when she was 7 and recovering in a hospital from having her tonsils removed.

Several victims who spoke to the grand jury about allegations of abuse praised the investigation.

“There’s no doubt it’s been a complete coverup across all churches and dioceses,” said Jim VanSickle, a 55-year-old life coach and tutor in Pittsburgh. Mr. VanSickle came forward in February with allegations of being groped between 1979 and 1982 by a priest who was his English teacher at a Catholic high school.

The priest is one of the two currently facing criminal charges for more recent allegations. Although the statute of limitations in Pennsylvania bars any legal recourse for Mr. VanSickle, he said he hopes to testify in court against the priest.

The grand-jury report said almost every instance of abuse is too old to be prosecuted. Mr. Shapiro renewed a call for state lawmakers to abolish such restrictions. He said state investigators uncovered evidence of other sexual assaults but couldn’t file criminal charges due to the statute of limitations.

State Rep. Mark Rozzi said he hopes the grand-jury report will spur the Legislature to eliminate the statutes of limitations for filing civil cases and criminal charges in future abuse cases.

“These crimes were aided and abetted by the hierarchy that chose to protect the church’s assets and its reputation, instead of its children,” Mr. Rozzi, a Democrat, said.

He supports a measure that would create a two-year window for victims of past child sexual abuse to file civil suits. Strict limits currently apply. Mr. Rozzi, for example, said he was abused by a Catholic priest in the early 1980s, when he was 13 years old. At the time, victims had two years to file a civil claim, and prosecutors had five years to file charges.

Mr. Rozzi supports a bill that would eliminate civil and criminal statutes of limitations for future child sexual abuse cases. Currently in Pennsylvania, a person abused as a minor can sue a perpetrator until the victim turns 30, and prosecutors can bring criminal charges until the victim turns 50.

Mr. Rozzi and others have sought for years to change state law. The Pennsylvania Catholic Conference, the public affairs arm of the state’s 10 Catholic bishops and dioceses, has opposed creating a window to sue for past abuse, arguing it is unconstitutional.

Dozens of individuals, mainly clergy members, sued to block the report’s release and successfully petitioned the high court to black out their names and any identifying information.

They claimed their reputations would be unfairly ruined if the report were released unaltered, and said they were denied a chance to testify before the grand jury.

The state Supreme Court ordered their names temporarily redacted so the public could see an interim version of the report until those legal challenges are resolved.

In 2016, the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis conceded it protected a priest who was later convicted of sexually abusing children. The archdiocese made the admission as part of a deal to resolve criminal charges that it failed to safeguard children.

In 2015, Bishop Robert W. Finn of Kansas City, Mo., resigned more than two years after he was convicted of failing to report a priest who had made child pornography. Bishop Finn waited several months before reporting the priest, who pleaded guilty to charges of child pornography and was sentenced to 50 years in federal prison.

Write to Scott Calvert at scott.calvert@wsj.com and Kris Maher at kris.maher@wsj.com
 
On a side note:

Catholic Church claimed child sex abuse victims ‘consented’
The Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority has refused payment to 700 victims and child sexual abuse survivors
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...on-scheme-victim-support-sexual-a7903396.html

The Catholic Church and British local authorities have been accused of using a legal loophole to avoid paying compensation to victims of child sex abuse.
The Criminal Injuries Compensation Scheme, a government agency, has denied some children financial settlements because it said the victims had “consented” to the abuse, a group of charities has warned.
Lawyers representing victims have warned that this line of defence is becoming increasingly common.
 
Shucks, this story won't get one tenth of the news coverage of one pedophile coach at Penn State.


Grand-jury report says Catholic Church officials in the state failed to intervene and covered up crimes

By
Scott Calvert and
Kris Maher
Updated Aug. 14, 2018 6:58 p.m. ET


Catholic officials in Pennsylvania systematically covered up the molestation of more than 1,000 children by more than 300 priests over the past 70 years, according to a report released Tuesday on one of the most exhaustive investigations into the church’s sex-abuse scandal.

The scathing, 884-page grand-jury report details widespread abuse of boys and girls dating to the 1940s that it said shows a chronic failure by six of the eight Pennsylvania dioceses to protect young victims. Prior grand-jury reports found evidence of abuse in the two other dioceses, in Philadelphia and the Altoona-Johnstown area.

“The abuse scarred every diocese. The coverup was sophisticated. And all the while, church leadership kept records of the abuse,” Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro said at a news conference. The attorney general’s office launched the inquiry in 2016.

Mr. Shapiro, a Democrat, called it “the largest, most comprehensive report into child sexual abuse within the Catholic Church ever produced in the United States.” He said it builds on investigations dating back more than a decade that exposed clergy sex abuse in Boston and Philadelphia.

Tuesday’s report, combined with the previous two, amounts to the biggest statewide investigation of sex abuse in the church. In 2002, the Boston Globe reported that the Boston Archdiocese had systematically covered up clerical sex abuse and repeatedly moved offending priests to other parishes where they were able to abuse again. Mr. Shapiro said the Globe identified 229 “abuser priests,” revelations that led to Archbishop Bernard Law’s resignation.

Terry McKiernan, founder of BishopAccountability.org, a watchdog website, said the recent investigation is significant because, coupled with the prior reports, it provides “a picture of the entire clergy-abuse problem in Catholicism in Pennsylvania.”

The findings, Mr. Shapiro said, came largely from records kept by the dioceses. The files document allegations and admissions of abuse, he said, “corroborating accounts of victims and illustrating the organized coverup by senior church officials that stretched in some cases all the way to the Vatican.”

The Vatican declined to comment.

The Pennsylvania grand jury’s report said the roughly two-year inquiry found that bishops in the dioceses kept abuse complaints in “secret archives” locked in their offices, and that church officials regularly placed priests in ministry even after learning of allegations against them.

Many of the accused priests and other church officials named in the report are deceased. The names of some of those still alive are redacted in the report, under an order by the state Supreme Court.

Mr. Shapiro cited cases where investigations into complaints had been halted by a diocese to delay a case beyond a statute of limitations, or in one instance by a prosecutor to avoid negative publicity.

The Allentown Diocese said the allegations of abuse in the report are “abhorrent and tragic.”

“We apologize to everyone who has been hurt by the past actions of some members of the clergy,” the diocese said. “We know that these past actions have caused pain and mistrust for many people. The victims and survivors of abuse are in our prayers daily.”

Earlier this month, the Harrisburg Diocese, one of the six investigated, released the names of 71 priests and other church personnel accused of child-sex abuse, and its bishop detailed measures aimed at protecting youth.

The investigation into the six dioceses has led to criminal charges against two priests who are no longer in active ministry. One pleaded guilty last month to sexually assaulting a 10-year-old boy. The other is charged with molesting two boys over years and has pleaded not guilty. That case is pending.

In one example from the report, a priest in the Allentown Diocese, when confronted about an abuse complaint, admitted to sexually molesting a boy and said, “Please help me.” According to the report, “the diocese concluded that ‘the experience will not necessarily be a horrendous trauma’ for the victim, and that the family should just be given ‘an opportunity to ventilate.’ ”

One allegation that a priest forced a 9-year-old boy to perform oral sex and then rinsed the boy’s mouth out with holy water was found credible by prosecutors, but the abuse was outside the statute of limitations. Another priest admitted to raping a girl decades earlier, including when she was 7 and recovering in a hospital from having her tonsils removed.

Several victims who spoke to the grand jury about allegations of abuse praised the investigation.

“There’s no doubt it’s been a complete coverup across all churches and dioceses,” said Jim VanSickle, a 55-year-old life coach and tutor in Pittsburgh. Mr. VanSickle came forward in February with allegations of being groped between 1979 and 1982 by a priest who was his English teacher at a Catholic high school.

The priest is one of the two currently facing criminal charges for more recent allegations. Although the statute of limitations in Pennsylvania bars any legal recourse for Mr. VanSickle, he said he hopes to testify in court against the priest.

The grand-jury report said almost every instance of abuse is too old to be prosecuted. Mr. Shapiro renewed a call for state lawmakers to abolish such restrictions. He said state investigators uncovered evidence of other sexual assaults but couldn’t file criminal charges due to the statute of limitations.

State Rep. Mark Rozzi said he hopes the grand-jury report will spur the Legislature to eliminate the statutes of limitations for filing civil cases and criminal charges in future abuse cases.

“These crimes were aided and abetted by the hierarchy that chose to protect the church’s assets and its reputation, instead of its children,” Mr. Rozzi, a Democrat, said.

He supports a measure that would create a two-year window for victims of past child sexual abuse to file civil suits. Strict limits currently apply. Mr. Rozzi, for example, said he was abused by a Catholic priest in the early 1980s, when he was 13 years old. At the time, victims had two years to file a civil claim, and prosecutors had five years to file charges.

Mr. Rozzi supports a bill that would eliminate civil and criminal statutes of limitations for future child sexual abuse cases. Currently in Pennsylvania, a person abused as a minor can sue a perpetrator until the victim turns 30, and prosecutors can bring criminal charges until the victim turns 50.

Mr. Rozzi and others have sought for years to change state law. The Pennsylvania Catholic Conference, the public affairs arm of the state’s 10 Catholic bishops and dioceses, has opposed creating a window to sue for past abuse, arguing it is unconstitutional.

Dozens of individuals, mainly clergy members, sued to block the report’s release and successfully petitioned the high court to black out their names and any identifying information.

They claimed their reputations would be unfairly ruined if the report were released unaltered, and said they were denied a chance to testify before the grand jury.

The state Supreme Court ordered their names temporarily redacted so the public could see an interim version of the report until those legal challenges are resolved.

In 2016, the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis conceded it protected a priest who was later convicted of sexually abusing children. The archdiocese made the admission as part of a deal to resolve criminal charges that it failed to safeguard children.

In 2015, Bishop Robert W. Finn of Kansas City, Mo., resigned more than two years after he was convicted of failing to report a priest who had made child pornography. Bishop Finn waited several months before reporting the priest, who pleaded guilty to charges of child pornography and was sentenced to 50 years in federal prison.

Write to Scott Calvert at scott.calvert@wsj.com and Kris Maher at kris.maher@wsj.com
That’s shocking! How many Priests served in PA during that time period? That’s an incredible number that abused kids.
 
Wow, just unbelievable!! The Catholic system needs a GD overhaul, it really, really does!!
 
Wow, just unbelievable!! The Catholic system needs a GD overhaul, it really, really does!!

The priesthood has been a hideout for pedophiles for decades (who knows, maybe centuries). The hierarchy clearly has covered things up pretty much forever and still does.

How anyone could allow their children to be around those types is mind boggling. This sort of thing has been an open secret since the "70's" (and probably a whole lot longer, that's just when I heard of it)...
 
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The priesthood has been a hideout for pedophiles for decades (who knows, maybe centuries). The hierarchy clearly has covered things up pretty much forever and still does.

How anyone could allow their children to be around those types is mind boggling. This sort of thing has been an open secret since the "70's" (and probably a whole lot longer, that's just when I heard of it)...
Circa 1975 my brother married a Catholic girl in "the region" and they had three kids who grew up there. They opted to send them to high school at a Catholic school there, Andrean. Solid academic school, no doubt. My brother's wife was telling me about this and than she then she blurted out "But don't worry, we've told them never to be alone with a priest."

I honestly did not understand that comment at the time, although I do now. Key point is, these Catholic parents have known about the pedophile priests for decades (and probably centuries) yet they continue to send their kids in where they may be subjected to rape, oral/anal sodomy or the other depravities that these pedophile priests conjure up.
 
Circa 1975 my brother married a Catholic girl in "the region" and they had three kids who grew up there. They opted to send them to high school at a Catholic school there, Andrean. Solid academic school, no doubt. My brother's wife was telling me about this and than she then she blurted out "But don't worry, we've told them never to be alone with a priest."

I honestly did not understand that comment at the time, although I do now. Key point is, these Catholic parents have known about the pedophile priests for decades (and probably centuries) yet they continue to send their kids in where they may be subjected to rape, oral/anal sodomy or the other depravities that these pedophile priests conjure up.

Heard similar things from Catholic friends I grew up with. I was amazed that anything like that was ever tolerated...
 
On a side note:

Catholic Church claimed child sex abuse victims ‘consented’
The Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority has refused payment to 700 victims and child sexual abuse survivors
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...on-scheme-victim-support-sexual-a7903396.html

Like I commented in another thread, it is ok to rape kids and pass it off, but don’t you dare marry someone you love like the lady at Roncalli, be a good employee, lead a good life ( as far as I know), etc or you contribute to moral decay....ya damn pervert! Pretty fKd up priorities about morality, like most cults tho.
 
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Circa 1975 my brother married a Catholic girl in "the region" and they had three kids who grew up there. They opted to send them to high school at a Catholic school there, Andrean. Solid academic school, no doubt. My brother's wife was telling me about this and than she then she blurted out "But don't worry, we've told them never to be alone with a priest."

I honestly did not understand that comment at the time, although I do now. Key point is, these Catholic parents have known about the pedophile priests for decades (and probably centuries) yet they continue to send their kids in where they may be subjected to rape, oral/anal sodomy or the other depravities that these pedophile priests conjure up.


Hard data shows that child sex abuse is no higher in the Catholic church than in other denominations/religions....and lower than the prevalence within the general population....even at its "peak" which seemed to be in the 1970s.

With the intense focus on this issue over the last two decades....it's plausible to think it's a safer environment today than other schooling options, etc...

The reality is that child sex abuse is a wide spread issue across society... people greatly underestimate how prevalent it is.

https://www.newsweek.com/priests-commit-no-more-abuse-other-males-70625
 
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@VanPastorMan ... your thoughts?
My view on priest pedophilia is somewhat simple. Pedophiles many times put themselves to be in positions where they have access to kids. I don't believe chastity causes pedophilia. These men had these issues before they ever entered the priesthood. Now, the real sin of the church was protecting these predators. You go back and forth what would be the motivation to do so? For some reason they wanted to protect the church from scandal. The problem with that is that it kept these priests where they could have access to kids. Second, once this was found out that the church covered it up, then it became even more of a scandal. If a church has a sexual predator then the police have to be called. Then they must go over their policies to see if there was a lapse in procedures that let a predator of children slip through. Then they must offer support for the child and the family. No one could blame a church for someone slipping in. But they can be blamed if they try to cover it up and allow it to continue. It is unconscionable.
 
Hard data shows that child sex abuse is no higher in the Catholic church than in other denominations/religions....and lower than the prevalence within the general population....even at its "peak" which seemed to be in the 1970s.

With the intense focus on this issue over the last two decades....it's plausible to think it's a safer environment today than other schooling options, etc...

The reality is that child sex abuse is a wide spread issue across society... people greatly underestimate how prevalent it is.

https://www.newsweek.com/priests-commit-no-more-abuse-other-males-70625

I'd say that the state of Pennsylvania just updated that articles "hard data"...

The worlds out to get the Catholics though.
 
My view on priest pedophilia is somewhat simple. Pedophiles many times put themselves to be in positions where they have access to kids. I don't believe chastity causes pedophilia. These men had these issues before they ever entered the priesthood. Now, the real sin of the church was protecting these predators. You go back and forth what would be the motivation to do so? For some reason they wanted to protect the church from scandal. The problem with that is that it kept these priests where they could have access to kids. Second, once this was found out that the church covered it up, then it became even more of a scandal. If a church has a sexual predator then the police have to be called. Then they must go over their policies to see if there was a lapse in procedures that let a predator of children slip through. Then they must offer support for the child and the family. No one could blame a church for someone slipping in. But they can be blamed if they try to cover it up and allow it to continue. It is unconscionable.
Not a bad take on it.
 
My view on priest pedophilia is somewhat simple. Pedophiles many times put themselves to be in positions where they have access to kids. I don't believe chastity causes pedophilia. These men had these issues before they ever entered the priesthood. Now, the real sin of the church was protecting these predators. You go back and forth what would be the motivation to do so? For some reason they wanted to protect the church from scandal. The problem with that is that it kept these priests where they could have access to kids. Second, once this was found out that the church covered it up, then it became even more of a scandal. If a church has a sexual predator then the police have to be called. Then they must go over their policies to see if there was a lapse in procedures that let a predator of children slip through. Then they must offer support for the child and the family. No one could blame a church for someone slipping in. But they can be blamed if they try to cover it up and allow it to continue. It is unconscionable.


Holy sh!t! I agree with VPM.

I'd say that the state of Pennsylvania just updated that articles "hard data"...

The worlds out to get the Catholics though.


Born and raised Catholic here. I don't think the world is out to get Catholics. I do hope the world is out to get the pedophile clergy and all those that aided in the cover-up.
 
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I'd say that the state of Pennsylvania just updated that articles "hard data"...

The worlds out to get the Catholics though.


Well I'm not sure that it actually changes anything that wasn't already known....The John Jay study specifically covered the period that this PA case is about (the 1970s).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay_Report


1 in 10 children are sexually abused in this country....for comparison sake.

https://www.d2l.org/education/5-steps/step-1/



I'm not picking sides....and the real scandal for the church is the cover ups that occurred during those periods when this was most prevelant (70s/80s). But people too quickly get lost in large numbers when debating these issues.
 
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Well I'm not sure that it actually changes anything that wasn't already known....The John Jay study specifically covered the period that this PA case is about (the 1970s).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay_Report


1 in 10 children are sexually abused in this country....for comparison sake.

https://www.d2l.org/education/5-steps/step-1/



I'm not picking sides....and the real scandal for the church is the cover ups that occurred during those periods when this was most prevelant (70s/80s). But people too quickly get lost in large numbers when debating these issues.
300 abusers over four decades in a province that has 2,500 priests...

Hard to say for sure without knowing how much priests get moved around, but my guess is this grand jury report probably matches the data you already posted - i.e., that priests abuse kids at the same rate as other adults.

It's really only a bigger scandal because they are priests.
 
300 abusers over four decades in a province that has 2,500 priests...

Hard to say for sure without knowing how much priests get moved around, but my guess is this grand jury report probably matches the data you already posted - i.e., that priests abuse kids at the same rate as other adults.

It's really only a bigger scandal because they are priests.
More than 10 percent is normal?
 
More than 10 percent is normal?
That's not 10%. The province has 2,500 active priests right now. I have no idea how many they've had since the 1970s, but you can bet it's been a helluva lot more than that. So 300 out of whatever that large number ends up being is, I'm speculating, going to end up pretty close to what Twenty cited.
 
That's not 10%. The province has 2,500 active priests right now. I have no idea how many they've had since the 1970s, but you can bet it's been a helluva lot more than that. So 300 out of whatever that large number ends up being is, I'm speculating, going to end up pretty close to what Twenty cited.
Agree. Misread it and thought 2500 was total during that time frame.
 
300 abusers over four decades in a province that has 2,500 priests...

Hard to say for sure without knowing how much priests get moved around, but my guess is this grand jury report probably matches the data you already posted - i.e., that priests abuse kids at the same rate as other adults.

It's really only a bigger scandal because they are priests.


It's a scandal because of

1) the institutional cover up that occurred during the 70s/80s specifically.

and

2) the Catholic church is the largest single denomination in the country (Protestant population is much larger, but that's broken up into many denominations)....and the 2nd largest in the world behind Sunni Islam. So large nominal numbers may stand out....even if the % of incidents is no different than other institutions that handle children.
 
It's a scandal because of

1) the institutional cover up that occurred during the 70s/80s specifically.

and

2) the Catholic church is the largest single denomination in the country (Protestant population is much larger, but that's broken up into many denominations)....and the 2nd largest in the world behind Sunni Islam. So large nominal numbers may stand out....even if the % of incidents is no different than other institutions that handle children.
Yes, obviously the coverup is a big deal. I listen to a lot of Catholic radio, and they are hitting this hard 24/7, and it's not all "Rah, rah, get behind the team." The Vatican made a statement today, but it was mostly platitudinous. Francis will have to step up and do something big soon.
 
Yes, obviously the coverup is a big deal. I listen to a lot of Catholic radio, and they are hitting this hard 24/7, and it's not all "Rah, rah, get behind the team." The Vatican made a statement today, but it was mostly platitudinous. Francis will have to step up and do something big soon.


Catholics are nothing if not for hearty debate.
 
Obvious criminal acts and coverups. Authorities say they can't pursue charges because of statue of limitations. Why don't prosecutors use the RICO act. No SOL. Put the fear of God in the church.
 
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It's a scandal because of

1) the institutional cover up that occurred during the 70s/80s specifically.

and

2) the Catholic church is the largest single denomination in the country (Protestant population is much larger, but that's broken up into many denominations)....and the 2nd largest in the world behind Sunni Islam. So large nominal numbers may stand out....even if the % of incidents is no different than other institutions that handle children.

It’s also a scandal because these are people who were explicitly trusted with the care and well-bein of children. We teach kids to be careful of the random stranger, not to be frightened of their coach or priest or teacher, so the same level of abuse hits much harder.
 
It’s also a scandal because these are people who were explicitly trusted with the care and well-bein of children. We teach kids to be careful of the random stranger, not to be frightened of their coach or priest or teacher, so the same level of abuse hits much harder.


That's very true....but all sexual abuse data shows that it is almost always a "known" person that commits the abuse (teacher, family, family friend, etc....).

My point is that there is nothing specific to the Catholic church that shows it an outlier from society as a whole.
 
we mistakenly see this as about the church, or universities.

what it's really about, is how entities that embrace money above all else choose their leadership, and how they expect their leadership to make decisions on things that could affect their influx of money.

the leadership of the Catholic Church or PSU or MSU or OSU didn't go rogue in burying the abuse allegations.

those people were chosen to lead those institutions in the first place, because those were the decisions they would make, and that's how they would handle things, if the money train was threatened by scandal.
 
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