3 game suspension for Meyer and AD
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I suspect this decision was mostly driven by money. If they fired UM without cause they would owe him a boat load of dough. They couldn’t prove “enough”, so UM gets a slap on the wrist. Odd that they fired Tressel for covering up sale of pants, but UM essentially gets a pass. I live in Florida and don’t know a single Gator fan (and there are lots of them) who wishes UM was still there. Slimy guy.
Does anybody get fired these days?
The Maryland Coach has a kid die, the University takes full responsibility for the kid's death, and the coach is still there.
Urban Meyer is the ultimate slimeball, and he's still there.
Somebody help me here.....
The Maryland Coach has a kid die, the University takes full responsibility for the kid's death, and the coach is still there.
Urban Meyer is the ultimate slimeball, and he's still there.
Somebody help me here.....
Don't forget Brian Kelly. There are few other careers in the world where you could kill an unarmed kid and keep your job.
What a dick that guy is. Makes it a lot easier to hate ND, as if any incentive was required.
Or Dantonio up at M$U,who recruited a known sex offender, supposedly personally supervised him..., and surprise, surprise, the clown rapes a coed... This was one Dantonio couldn't cover up but still no repercussions (for him at least)...
If you're winning that's all that matters these days..., that and the $$$$$ you're bringing in...
Urban Meyer still does not get it:
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...onference-ohio-state-buckeyes-sets-wrong-tone
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...onference-ohio-state-buckeyes-sets-wrong-tone
Here's a good take on who Meyer really is:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...oral-high-ground-domestic-assault/1065039002/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...oral-high-ground-domestic-assault/1065039002/
Tressel got fired because his actions, and the actions of his players, resulted in OSU getting NCAA sanctions. Urban just plays in the moral gray area, par for the course as far as college coaches are concerned. As long as OSU the football program remains 100% intact, Meyer keeps his job.
We've established that UM is a liar. That said, I'm not sure exactly what UM was supposed to do about Courtney Smith.
Did she ask that her husband be fired? No, I'm pretty sure she didn't want that. Should he have told her to leave? That was her decision, not UM's.
Did her mother & father know what was going on? Her family? All of her other friends? Did any of them tell her to get the hell out?
There were 5 options. Stay in the marriage as is; try counseling/separation; get the hell out; get the hell out & go the PO route; get the hell out & go to the police. Who had to decide what to do?
So somebody tell me exactly what CS wanted UM to do that he didn't do.
Neither UM nor the U at the PC ever came right out and said UM lied. They said stuff like 'he wasn't completely forthcoming' or ' or 'I wasn't prepared for the question and just froze up'. Somebody needs to use the L word about the situation.
Not lie about it, most likely. I don't think I've heard her ask for anything else.
I will stipulate that UM is a scumbag and a liar.
But I don't agree with Christine from USA Today or Heather from ESPN.
Christine says he "fails to do everything in his power to stop another man from beating his wife", to which I ask what could he have done other than to fire the guy or bring the situation out into the light, neither one of which Mrs. Smith wanted?
Heather says he "apologized more to Buckeye Nation than he did to Courtney Smith", to which I ask why should he apologize to Courtney Smith? The apology SHOULD be to Buckeye Nation, if your opinion is that Smith should have been fired in '09 or '15. I think that's what he should have done, but there's no evidence that's what CS wanted him to do. She declined to press charges against the guy or divorce him until '17. Now he could have said he 'felt sorry' for CS for what she went through, but that probably would have been another lie.
What CS did or said or didn't say doesn't have much bearing on what UM should have done. Domestic violence is a far more complicated issue than most people understand. Pretty frequently, the women doesn't speak up or divorce the guy because she's afraid things will get worse if she does, not because she forgives him.
This isn't a situation where the woman would have been destitute had she left.
There's no evidence she feared what he would do if she left him. Odds are much better that she didn't want to blow up her world as she knew it, which would have happened had Meyer fired the guy.
As far as the woman having a say or not in such situations, I think men should be charged but 2/3rds of police depts disagree, because the first thing they ask is "Do you want to press charges"?
The duty UM owed was not to CS,she never asked for his help, but to the OSU players, if the guy was a threat to them.
This still amazes me that Dantonio received a contract extension and media all went away. Izzo allowed to skirt. In every facet, OSU actually has taken more steps . Maryland getting tossed in conversation but no MSU? Looking at the scope of the situations, it makes zero sense.
Smith was arrested in Gainesville, and his wife then declined to press charges because she was pressured not to. Meyer could have easily cut ties with this dirtbag (Smith) when Meyer walked out on UF (he knew the alpha dog in the SEC was and would continue to be Nick Saban) and signed on with OSU a full year later, but his ego wouldn't allow that. I'm sure he believes he can manage anyone and any situation. As long as a guy helps him win, that's all he cares about. That's why he's recruited so many thug athletes over the years and some coaches with sketchy reputations including (and let's be brutally honest here) someone we're very familiar with.
So sick of what's going on in the conference. Ethics be damned. As long as you're winning and bringing $$ into the coffers, all is forgiven. With the exception of Tressel (and that was already several years ago), it takes something as horrific as what happened at Penn State, or maybe a death (or wait, Durkin is still employed - - never mind) to get a high profile HC canned.
I feel a lot of this is being driven by ESPN which just
happens to be joined at the hip with the SEC and
just loves anything that will damage the B10.
Follow the money.
There often isn't evidence. That's part of the difficulty of abuse and why most people remain naive about it.
Again, that's frequently because of the fear of consequences of pressing charges, not because of forgiveness.
I don't disagree but he isn't being "punished" for any duty he owed to her. He violated his contractual and possibly his legal obligations to report.
Are you aware of the Jones Day report? It essentially refutes the allegations made by ESPN reporter Paula Lavigne who excluded facts regarding Mark Dantonio's handling of the sexual misconduct of his players.
Interesting read if you care about the facts of the case.
Jones Day Report
Lavigne and ESPN — without any evidence — claimed Dantonio mishandled sexual assault allegations: “[o]n Friday evening (January 26, 2018), Dantonio said (Lavigne and ESPN’s) accusations about him and his program mishandling sexual assault allegations, including dealing with one complaint directly, are ‘completely false.’”
MSU retained Jones Day, an elite AmLaw 50 firm, to conduct an independent investigation into the football program’s institutional response to the sexual assault allegations against King, Corley, and Vance. The investigation was later expanded to include Robertson. MSU also retained Rebecca Veidlinger to conduct an independent Title IX investigation.
Jones Day found that Dantonio took immediate steps to report both sexual assault reports and that he took no actions to impede or interfere with any subsequent investigations into the players. The Report concluded that:
“Our investigation found no evidence that Dantonio did anything to impede, obstruct, or interfere with Office of Institutional Equity’s (“OIE”) investigation of the incident.
Similarly, Dantonio promptly and fully reported the information he learned from a player related to the April 2017 incident. Our investigation found no evidence that Dantonio took any actions to impede or interfere with the subsequent investigation of that incident. To the contrary, Dantonio immediately conveyed the information regarding an alleged assault to MSU PD so it could open an investigation, and he encouraged the player who reported the assault to cooperate with authorities.
Dantonio’s prompt reports to University authorities (Office of Institutional Equity and/or MSU PD), coupled with the extensive training the football team does on the RVSM policy, demonstrated his commitment to comply with the University’s policies regarding sexual misconduct.”
Jones Day report, at 12.
The Jones Day report also found that the football program is proactive in RVSM (Relationship Violence & Sexual Misconduct, https://ora.msu.edu/RVSM) training for players, coaches, and staff, and that the program received five RVSM trainings in the last two years, as well as other trainings focusing on academics, leadership, substance abuse, campus behavior, and sex. Freshman football players participate in specialized weekly trainings. Id., at 6.
The Jones Day Report is significant for a number of reasons. First, the engagement and scope of work highlights MSU’s commitment to appropriately responding to sexual assault allegations, and that the University is holding the football program accountable; Second, the report’s findings — referenced above — show that Dantonio acted decisively and in accordance with MSU policies; and Finally, the report provides examples of the effectiveness of RVSM training; two football players promptly reported suspected sexual assaults involving their teammates to Dantonio, who, in response, immediately contacted MSU PD and OIE.
Astonishingly, Lavigne intentionally excludes the Jones Day Report from her article. Obviously Lavigne was aware of its existence because she discuses Dantonio’s June 6, 2017 press conference. So why isn’t the report referenced at all?
Another important question is how has Dantonio allegedly “mishandled” sexual assault investigations? There is no evidence at all that Dantonio mishandled a sexual assault investigation. To the contrary, the Jones Day Report proves that Dantonio in fact did handle the King, Corley, Vance, and Robertson cases decisively and within University policy.
I notice you didn't make mention of, or attempt to refute the FACT that he recruited the DE from Fort Wayne while the kid was under indictment for having assaulted a girl at high school (after having already gotten away with doing something similar prior to his court visit). Your hero brought him to campus under the guise of giving him "personal" attention. You know what happened next: he raped a coed. Guess they don't matter as long as you're winning though... I hope you clowns never win another game...
Just read that...thanks...hard to imagine a Catholic school not taking an incident such as this more seriously.
Weren’t the police already actively investigating Smith at this point? I agree that OSU’s compliance people should’ve been informed, but how did Meyer’s actions expose Ms. Smith to additional greats of violence?
Noticed you didn't mention Kiante Enis in your rebuttal.
Robertson went through the Indiana court system, and after completing his court mandated sentence, was released under Indianas youthful offender act. Many MSU fans were upset that Dantonio did not revoke his scholarship offer, but he decided to give this POS a second chance. It backfired, and he was kicked out of the university. While awaiting trial he enrolled in a JUCO, where he once again sexually assaulted a coed.
You can question Dantonio's discretion in recruiting Robertson, I do, but after Robertson ruined his second chance Dantonio made the proper decision to cut ties with this individual.
Since hindsight is 20/20 maybe the blame should fall entirely on the Indiana court system for releasing this individual in the first place.
Do you really not appreciate that Meyer may have been trying to have a positive influence on the grandson of a man whom he (Meyer) considered his greatest professional mentor and like a second father? And are you not aware that the overwhelming influencers who persuaded her to not press charges were her parents and in-laws? And that Meyer could’ve hired anyone to coach for him and that Smith was hardly some rocketing assistant who worked miracles with his position group?
No one knew a thing about Enis while he was being recruited and as soon as he was found out he was history (never played a single Down for IU).
Hindsight.!!!... Dantonio knew Exactly what he was getting with Robertson, he simply didn't care because he thought the guy could help him win... Same way with (so many I've actually lost count) all the other rapists and assaulters he put on your roster...
Go elsewhere M$Uforever, your brethren may buy your BS but we certainly aren't going to...
I don't know that it did but that's not what I said or implied. I responded to the implication that a domestic abuse victim's lack of pressing charges or divorcing matters.
This also is an indication of naivety about the realities of domestic violence. Family members frequently either refuse to believe that such a "nice guy" could do such a thing or that the woman is obligated to shut up and deal with it for the good of the children or because they don't want to be dragged through the mud by having it exposed so they engage in victim blaming which further isolates the victim and enables the abuser.
In her case, both her mother and mother in law didn’t believe large accounts of her story. But I’m still not sure why Meyer is to blame. I’m not a fan of his, but nothing he did or didn’t do put her in jeopardy, as far as has been reported.
Do you really not appreciate that a man who is arrested for throwing his pregnant wife against a wall, and later apologizes in text messages for (on other occasions) picking her up by the neck and strangling her is not a particularly good role model for young men?
Clearly, they were wrong and they enabled the abuse to continue which is unfortunately all too common.
OK, Meyer isn't to blame for the abuse. I never said he was.
Thank you for your posts Daydreamer, people need to know this stuff. Guys with bad takes: maybe don't talk about victims of domestic violence if you're not well versed on the subject or haven't experienced domestic abuse yourself.
