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It's way too soon, but I'm bored, and I really need to shut off the legal part of my brain for the weekend. @MrBing and I bounced this around a tiny bit in a different thread, but here are some thoughts looking forward to the Democrats in 2020. This will all be written under the assumption Trump is still in office and secures the Republican nomination.

Now, I've been pretty open that my dream candidate is Tim Ryan. I think he checks off all the boxes that Hillary didn't, and his blue collar bona fides cannot be denied. The only question for him is timing. Sure, he challenged Pelosi for leadership, but he hasn't done much nationally since, and he might not be able to build his brand in time (although he has cosponsored the House version of single-payer, which may be something of a Dem litmus test this cycle). If he has his eyes on the Oval Office, he might be thinking more long-term, maybe with a challenge for Rob Portman's Senate seat in 2022 serving as a springboard. So, leaving Ryan aside for now...

Bernie - Obviously, Bernie is still positioned as the man that matters more than anyone else. He's consistently rated the most popular politician in the country, and he's extremely popular among the particular demographic that most damaged Clinton's campaign. Age is the obvious concern. If elected, he'd take office older than Reagan was when he left. Of course, Trump is no spring chicken himself, so it might be less of an issue than it otherwise would be. Even if Bernie doesn't run (and I've previously opined that he should not), he'll still have the ability to act as kingmaker of sorts. If he endorses a candidate early, that candidate becomes the immediate front-runner.

Uncle Joe - Democrats love Biden, but he's also getting up there in years, and the whole Anita Hill thing has tarnished his image a bit. Similar to how I'd personally prefer to see Bernie stay in the Senate, I'd also prefer Biden play the role of elder statesman, rather than actually jump in the ring himself, but if he does jump in, he'll have a lot of support. Has the benefit of bridging the gap between the two wings of the party, as he appeals to establishment Dems better than Bernie does, but also has better liberal appeal than the Clintonistas.

Gillibrand - She's so high on the list because she's doing more than anyone else to position herself for a run right now. There is no doubt she'll be in the race. She is better placed to take advantage of the #MeToo movement than any other Democrat, but I'm not sold on her appeal in the general. Cosponsored Bernie's single-payer bill.

Sherrod Brown - If we had to nominate someone to be the Next Bernie, I think Brown would be it. Liberals love him, but he has broad everyman appeal, too. Has not cosponsored Bernie's bill, probably because he's up for election in 2018, and he's not sure Ohio is ready for that. Has supported the idea in the past.

Hickenlooper - Funny name or no, very few Democratic governors have the broad appeal he does. He's term-limited, which means after January 2019, he can focus exclusively on the 2020 election.

Warren - No reasonable list would leave her off, but I'd much rather have her in the Senate than the White House. After mentioning both her and Gillibrand, I will also bring this up: it may make people uncomfortable to think about it, but I really think the smart move for the Dems in 2020 is to run a white man. Just the way it is. Also a Berniecare cosponsor.

Kamala Harris - Desperately trying to be a national figure, I have no doubt she is eyeing a run. I have to be honest; I'm not a big fan of how she did her job as California AG. I thought she defended a number of flatly unreasonable legal positions for political purposes. But I'd be surprised if most of those positions hurt her. For example, I thought her dedicated attack on the owners of Backpage.com for child prostitution was borderline prosecutorial misconduct, but it's hard for me to imagine she'd suffer much heat for it. She also cosponsored Bernie's bill.

Wild cards to keep an eye on: Booker, Cuomo, Jerry Brown.

Thoughts?
 
It's way too soon, but I'm bored, and I really need to shut off the legal part of my brain for the weekend. @MrBing and I bounced this around a tiny bit in a different thread, but here are some thoughts looking forward to the Democrats in 2020. This will all be written under the assumption Trump is still in office and secures the Republican nomination.

Now, I've been pretty open that my dream candidate is Tim Ryan. I think he checks off all the boxes that Hillary didn't, and his blue collar bona fides cannot be denied. The only question for him is timing. Sure, he challenged Pelosi for leadership, but he hasn't done much nationally since, and he might not be able to build his brand in time (although he has cosponsored the House version of single-payer, which may be something of a Dem litmus test this cycle). If he has his eyes on the Oval Office, he might be thinking more long-term, maybe with a challenge for Rob Portman's Senate seat in 2022 serving as a springboard. So, leaving Ryan aside for now...

Bernie - Obviously, Bernie is still positioned as the man that matters more than anyone else. He's consistently rated the most popular politician in the country, and he's extremely popular among the particular demographic that most damaged Clinton's campaign. Age is the obvious concern. If elected, he'd take office older than Reagan was when he left. Of course, Trump is no spring chicken himself, so it might be less of an issue than it otherwise would be. Even if Bernie doesn't run (and I've previously opined that he should not), he'll still have the ability to act as kingmaker of sorts. If he endorses a candidate early, that candidate becomes the immediate front-runner.

Uncle Joe - Democrats love Biden, but he's also getting up there in years, and the whole Anita Hill thing has tarnished his image a bit. Similar to how I'd personally prefer to see Bernie stay in the Senate, I'd also prefer Biden play the role of elder statesman, rather than actually jump in the ring himself, but if he does jump in, he'll have a lot of support. Has the benefit of bridging the gap between the two wings of the party, as he appeals to establishment Dems better than Bernie does, but also has better liberal appeal than the Clintonistas.

Gillibrand - She's so high on the list because she's doing more than anyone else to position herself for a run right now. There is no doubt she'll be in the race. She is better placed to take advantage of the #MeToo movement than any other Democrat, but I'm not sold on her appeal in the general. Cosponsored Bernie's single-payer bill.

Sherrod Brown - If we had to nominate someone to be the Next Bernie, I think Brown would be it. Liberals love him, but he has broad everyman appeal, too. Has not cosponsored Bernie's bill, probably because he's up for election in 2018, and he's not sure Ohio is ready for that. Has supported the idea in the past.

Hickenlooper - Funny name or no, very few Democratic governors have the broad appeal he does. He's term-limited, which means after January 2019, he can focus exclusively on the 2020 election.

Warren - No reasonable list would leave her off, but I'd much rather have her in the Senate than the White House. After mentioning both her and Gillibrand, I will also bring this up: it may make people uncomfortable to think about it, but I really think the smart move for the Dems in 2020 is to run a white man. Just the way it is. Also a Berniecare cosponsor.

Kamala Harris - Desperately trying to be a national figure, I have no doubt she is eyeing a run. I have to be honest; I'm not a big fan of how she did her job as California AG. I thought she defended a number of flatly unreasonable legal positions for political purposes. But I'd be surprised if most of those positions hurt her. For example, I thought her dedicated attack on the owners of Backpage.com for child prostitution was borderline prosecutorial misconduct, but it's hard for me to imagine she'd suffer much heat for it. She also cosponsored Bernie's bill.

Wild cards to keep an eye on: Booker, Cuomo, Jerry Brown.

Thoughts?
As much as I hate to say it, I'm not sure Dems should run a female again the next round. I love Uncle Joe, and he appears about 20 years younger than his actual age, but he's too old, same with BErnie. I don't know that much about Ryan, need to research him a bit more. I've always liked Cory Booker and I like Sherrod Brown . What about Gavin Newsom?
 
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Garcetti’s name gets thrown around. I think he clearly has the ambition. I have no idea how he is perceived in LA though.
 
It's way too soon, but I'm bored, and I really need to shut off the legal part of my brain for the weekend. @MrBing and I bounced this around a tiny bit in a different thread, but here are some thoughts looking forward to the Democrats in 2020. This will all be written under the assumption Trump is still in office and secures the Republican nomination.

Now, I've been pretty open that my dream candidate is Tim Ryan. I think he checks off all the boxes that Hillary didn't, and his blue collar bona fides cannot be denied. The only question for him is timing. Sure, he challenged Pelosi for leadership, but he hasn't done much nationally since, and he might not be able to build his brand in time (although he has cosponsored the House version of single-payer, which may be something of a Dem litmus test this cycle). If he has his eyes on the Oval Office, he might be thinking more long-term, maybe with a challenge for Rob Portman's Senate seat in 2022 serving as a springboard. So, leaving Ryan aside for now...

Bernie - Obviously, Bernie is still positioned as the man that matters more than anyone else. He's consistently rated the most popular politician in the country, and he's extremely popular among the particular demographic that most damaged Clinton's campaign. Age is the obvious concern. If elected, he'd take office older than Reagan was when he left. Of course, Trump is no spring chicken himself, so it might be less of an issue than it otherwise would be. Even if Bernie doesn't run (and I've previously opined that he should not), he'll still have the ability to act as kingmaker of sorts. If he endorses a candidate early, that candidate becomes the immediate front-runner.

Uncle Joe - Democrats love Biden, but he's also getting up there in years, and the whole Anita Hill thing has tarnished his image a bit. Similar to how I'd personally prefer to see Bernie stay in the Senate, I'd also prefer Biden play the role of elder statesman, rather than actually jump in the ring himself, but if he does jump in, he'll have a lot of support. Has the benefit of bridging the gap between the two wings of the party, as he appeals to establishment Dems better than Bernie does, but also has better liberal appeal than the Clintonistas.

Gillibrand - She's so high on the list because she's doing more than anyone else to position herself for a run right now. There is no doubt she'll be in the race. She is better placed to take advantage of the #MeToo movement than any other Democrat, but I'm not sold on her appeal in the general. Cosponsored Bernie's single-payer bill.

Sherrod Brown - If we had to nominate someone to be the Next Bernie, I think Brown would be it. Liberals love him, but he has broad everyman appeal, too. Has not cosponsored Bernie's bill, probably because he's up for election in 2018, and he's not sure Ohio is ready for that. Has supported the idea in the past.

Hickenlooper - Funny name or no, very few Democratic governors have the broad appeal he does. He's term-limited, which means after January 2019, he can focus exclusively on the 2020 election.

Warren - No reasonable list would leave her off, but I'd much rather have her in the Senate than the White House. After mentioning both her and Gillibrand, I will also bring this up: it may make people uncomfortable to think about it, but I really think the smart move for the Dems in 2020 is to run a white man. Just the way it is. Also a Berniecare cosponsor.

Kamala Harris - Desperately trying to be a national figure, I have no doubt she is eyeing a run. I have to be honest; I'm not a big fan of how she did her job as California AG. I thought she defended a number of flatly unreasonable legal positions for political purposes. But I'd be surprised if most of those positions hurt her. For example, I thought her dedicated attack on the owners of Backpage.com for child prostitution was borderline prosecutorial misconduct, but it's hard for me to imagine she'd suffer much heat for it. She also cosponsored Bernie's bill.

Wild cards to keep an eye on: Booker, Cuomo, Jerry Brown.

Thoughts?

I love the exercise of handicapping the presidential race, and in spite of giving it a lot of thought, I am currently on the side of a boring solution to defeating Trump. I could easily get behind the idea being floated of a Biden/Harris ticket, announced as a ticket up front. No way Trump can beat that ticket. Biden is beloved by most all Dems and would expose Trump with the working class in a big way. Kamela grows on people the more they are exposed to her, and she is one of those rare politicians that can be labeled liberal, moderate, progressive, without being offensive to any group. We love her in California, and she has been considered a possible president in the making for years in the Bay Area. The biggest problem with this scenario is Biden's age, and the likelihood that Bernie would accuse him of rigging the process by proactively selecting Kamela as VP.

My other scenario will solicit groans at first glance. There was a piece in Politico last week that made a lot of sense. The essence of the article is Democrats don't need a firebrand such as Sanders or Warren to beat Trump, and it could actually backfire since Trump is an insufferable firebrand himself. They pointed out that Doug Jones, a boring, decent man won in freaking Alabama. The argument is the public will be so tired of Trump drama and lying, that a candidate like Tim Kaine could be the best option. I would add Amy Klobuchar as a strong dark horse possibility. She's highly respected on both sides of the aisle. She's a work horse, not a show horse, although she has started to appear on the news shows regularly, and she could get a leg up with a win, place, or show in the neighboring Iowa caucus.

I would enjoy a knock down, drag out 20 candidate free for all. That would be highly entertaining and interesting for us political junkies, but the stakes are too high with Trump in the White House.
 
I love the exercise of handicapping the presidential race, and in spite of giving it a lot of thought, I am currently on the side of a boring solution to defeating Trump. I could easily get behind the idea being floated of a Biden/Harris ticket, announced as a ticket up front. No way Trump can beat that ticket. Biden is beloved by most all Dems and would expose Trump with the working class in a big way. Kamela grows on people the more they are exposed to her, and she is one of those rare politicians that can be labeled liberal, moderate, progressive, without being offensive to any group. We love her in California, and she has been considered a possible president in the making for years in the Bay Area. The biggest problem with this scenario is Biden's age, and the likelihood that Bernie would accuse him of rigging the process by proactively selecting Kamela as VP.

My other scenario will solicit groans at first glance. There was a piece in Politico last week that made a lot of sense. The essence of the article is Democrats don't need a firebrand such as Sanders or Warren to beat Trump, and it could actually backfire since Trump is an insufferable firebrand himself. They pointed out that Doug Jones, a boring, decent man won in freaking Alabama. The argument is the public will be so tired of Trump drama and lying, that a candidate like Tim Kaine could be the best option. I would add Amy Klobuchar as a strong dark horse possibility. She's highly respected on both sides of the aisle. She's a work horse, not a show horse, although she has started to appear on the news shows regularly, and she could get a leg up with a win, place, or show in the neighboring Iowa caucus.

I would enjoy a knock down, drag out 20 candidate free for all. That would be highly entertaining and interesting for us political junkies, but the stakes are too high with Trump in the White House.
It's definitely very important this time around to first ask this about every candidate: "Can they win in November?"
 
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I think we need someone who can get people fired up. Obama and Trump both got a lot of traction with their oratory. I'd need to see a lot more of the names being bantered about, but I think Ol' Joe has still got it.
 
It's definitely very important this time around to first ask this about every candidate: "Can they win in November?"

An even better question would be “can they swing the electorate in PA, MI, and WI by ~1-2%?”

Trump squeaked by in those states to win the EC and got shellacked in the popular total. I read articles that Bill was pissed that Hillary’s campaign didn’t go into those states as much as he thought they should have.
 
An even better question would be “can they swing the electorate in PA, MI, and WI by ~1-2%?”

Trump squeaked by in those states to win the EC and got shellacked in the popular total. I read articles that Bill was pissed that Hillary’s campaign didn’t go into those states as much as he thought they should have.
That's one reason Bernie is so important. He significantly outperformed expectations in the Midwest in the primaries, and he was very popular among the blue-collar whites that Clinton lost.

Some of that is her fault for taking those states for granted, but some of it is simply that she didn't have a very attractive message for those voters.
 
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Typical liberal attitude - she’s a Republican, therefore she’s not a real woman and probably a liar.

Nah, she is a fine woman and probably wouldn’t need to make anything up. Gavin used to be a big time womanizer. That’s a fact. I’m fairly confident Fox News would want her to embellish some stories however, because that’s what they do. It’s pretty much their business model these days. I’m also confident she would decline to do so.
 
The answer for Bernie at the beginning would have been a lol no, at the end, we pretty much know he'd have won.
I never said "lol no" myself, but you are dead on with the common knowledge take. Everyone figured he was too liberal, but his demographic stronghold was exactly what cost Clinton the election. He would have won.
 
I never said "lol no" myself, but you are dead on with the common knowledge take. Everyone figured he was too liberal, but his demographic stronghold was exactly what cost Clinton the election. He would have won.
I'm talking about when he first started and his popularity was, what, 1% or something.
 
I'm talking about when he first started and his popularity was, what, 1% or something.
I don't remember. But I do remember that the "He can't win" refrain started pretty early. I never bought it. It was all based on the fact that he's a socialist, which only mattered to people who were never going to vote D, anyway. In real life, he appealed to exactly the voters the Dems ended up needing - and not getting.
 
I never said "lol no" myself, but you are dead on with the common knowledge take. Everyone figured he was too liberal, but his demographic stronghold was exactly what cost Clinton the election. He would have won.
Totally disagree that he would have won. The Trump team had all kinds of stuff ready to go on him , no one had to use it because no one seriously thought he had a chance. I can just imagine the way he would have gone after him, the names he would have called him, and the attacks he would have made. I'm not sure he would have done well in the debates either. He may have won, but I think it's doubtful.
 
Totally disagree that he would have won. The Trump team had all kinds of stuff ready to go on him , no one had to use it because no one seriously thought he had a chance. I can just imagine the way he would have gone after him, the names he would have called him, and the attacks he would have made. I'm not sure he would have done well in the debates either. He may have won, but I think it's doubtful.
Also, BErnie had a big problem with minorities. Even more of them would likely have stayed home.
 
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LOL....yes only With Dems does character count. What an absolute load of BS. It no wonder you keep getting destroyed at elections, with that elitest attitude.
After Trump and Judge Roy it's pretty hard to come to any other conclusion. If caring about character makes one elitist, I guess we'll have to suffer that label.
 
After Trump and Judge Roy it's pretty hard to come to any other conclusion. If caring about character makes one elitist, I guess we'll have to suffer that label.
Judge Roy was defeated in a crimson red state. Do you really think you and your self righteous friends have some type of monopoly on character? My God, just listen to yourself
 
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Judge Roy was defeated in a crimson red state. Do you really think you and your self righteous friends have some type of monopoly on character? My God, just listen to yourself
Yep, a pedophile was defeated by 1% of the vote. That's a resounding victory. 651,972 people voted for a pedophile. And then there's Trump. Feel free to call me and my friends any name you want. I feel confident in saying the high road is NOT supporting a person like Moore or our vile so called president. But that's just me.
 
Seems they have forgotten already the last president to be impeached for rape in the White House was a Dem.
 
Yep, a pedophile was defeated by 1% of the vote. That's a resounding victory. 651,972 people voted for a pedophile. And then there's Trump. Feel free to call me and my friends any name you want. I feel confident in saying the high road is NOT supporting a person like Moore or our vile so called president. But that's just me.
You have been, and always will be, the queen of name calling on this board. You may want to look at some of your democratic heros and their actions over the last several years. If you really think that a lack of character is a one way street, then...well....that is just ignorant.
 
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You have been, and always will be, the queen of name calling on this board. You may want to look at some of your democratic heros and their actions over the last several years. If you really think that a lack of character is a one way street, then...well....that is just ignorant.[/QUOTE
Really? Can you please find a single time that I have called anyone on here a name? If so I'd like to apologize to them, because to the best of my memory I have never done so. No one said both parties don't have people with character flaws. But Trump brings a whole new meaning to that . There has never been anyone close to as unqualified and close to a repugnant person elected to office in my lifetime. There have been several recent polls , particularly with evangelicals, that now say character doesn't really matter, as long as they get their goals accomplished. This is in direct conflict to what their thoughts were on this just a few years ago.
 
It's way too soon, but I'm bored, and I really need to shut off the legal part of my brain for the weekend. @MrBing

Bernie
Uncle Joe
Gillibrand
Sherrod Brown
Hickenlooper
Warren
Kamala Harris
Wild cards to keep an eye on: Booker, Cuomo, Jerry Brown.
Thoughts?

Bernie - too old
Biden - too old
Gillibrand - Looks good but she will have a tough time to get name recognition.
Sherrod Brown - Don't know much about him.
Hickenlooper - Name recognition problem
Warren - an excellent candidate but too old
Kamala Harris - Don't know much about her
Booker - an interesting choice
Cuomo - I can support him, although I wish it were his father
Jerry Brown - Too old. I met him at a party a long time ago, when he was running for the governor. Not a very friendly guy unless you have something he desperately wants.
Meridian - is not interested and is not a Democrat.;)
 
Bernie - too old
Biden - too old
Gillibrand - Looks good but she will have a tough time to get name recognition.
Sherrod Brown - Don't know much about him.
Hickenlooper - Name recognition problem
Warren - an excellent candidate but too old
Kamala Harris - Don't know much about her
Booker - an interesting choice
Cuomo - I can support him, although I wish it were his father
Jerry Brown - Too old. I met him at a party a long time ago, when he was running for the governor. Not a very friendly guy unless you have something he desperately wants.
Meridian - is not interested and is not a Democrat.;)

Dude, the longer your post went on, the more Lucy came out. Just sayin.
 
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Seriously Elizabeth Warren, She is the biggest nut job going! She is nothing but a ......t.
 
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