“Worst academic fraud scandal in the history of college sports.”

[rikki-tikka-tava]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bdavidr...ituational-ethics-say-otherwise/#dcb3fae3bf22

So why is it that the NCAA,the ostensible moral/ethical compass for collegiate athletics, cannot bring itself to take action against North Carolina? How is it that the NC program is allowed to be ranked #1 in light of the organized academic fraud that was systematically instituted, abetted and subsequently documented at length, from on high in the university? How is it that NC's Team played in a lucrative bowl game this year? THERE IS NO WAY THAT THIS SCHOOL SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE NCAA TOURNEY THIS YEAR OR NEXT.

Really. IU self-reports a few dozen impermissible phone calls and gets burned to the ground while NC makes a travesty of all that college athletics and higher education are supposed to represent and yet remains frees from prosecution, penalty or punishment of any kind. There's been speculation that the NCAA is trying to protect Dean Smith's legacy or some such but if he was alive today and half the man he's reputed to have been he'd be out front calling for NC to self-penalize and take its lumps to restore honor to the University, college athletics and the national system of student athletics. NCAA President Mark Emmert was quoted in the second link below over three months ago that the investigative findings are "shocking" and "strikes at the heart of what higher education is about," yet NC remains effectively immune from punishment. NC's SYSTEM OF ACADEMIC FRAUD WAS IN PLACE FOR 18 YEARS since it was first reported OVER SIX YEARS AGO and yet the NCAA HAS DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. That's not justice - not anything other than a complete joke.

So much for a level playing field. Am thinking that NCAA doesn't stand for what I thought it did. Any ideas?

Notoriously Criminal Anti-Academics?
Never Contrite Athletic Apologists?
No Charges Against Anyone?
Not Always...??
Never Again...??

 

[minneman]

Notably Corrupt and Anti-Academic

Too bad there's no H for Hypocritical.

 

[Spa#2]

Because NC is a cash cow to the NCAA. They will not touch them.

 

[VCHoosier]

This is what every fan of every school should be "disgusted" about. IDK what could be done but somehow someway something needs to be done.

I wish Dakich would jump on this bandwagon. And until the DD's and Bilas' of the world start complaining about it regularly nothing will be done I'm afraid.

 

[ufo33]

Lesson to IU.
Don't self report anything.
UNC is laughing at IU, for being burned to the ground for self-reporting and self-penalizing themselves for phone calls that are now perfectly legal

 

[reabhnt]

Lesson to IU.
Don't self report anything.
UNC is laughing at IU, for being burned to the ground for self-reporting and self-penalizing themselves for phone calls that are now perfectly legal

Collage basketball is laughing at IU for hiring a coach that was caught cheating. Then turns around and does the same to IU.

 

[rikki-tikka-tava]

Notably Corrupt and Anti-Academic

Too bad there's no H for Hypocritical.

Collage basketball is laughing at IU for hiring a coach that was caught cheating. Then turns around and does the same to IU.

And here I thought forgiveness was divine or some such. Seriously doubt that most Fans are so starved for comic relief as all that.

 

[Iudanapoint]

And here I thought forgiveness was divine or some such. Seriously doubt that most Fans are so starved for comic relief as all that.

When did UNC receive an amended Notice of Allegations, per standard protocol?

 

[rikki-tikka-tava]

Notably Corrupt and Anti-Academic
Too bad there's no H for Hypocritical.

Nice. Less is more. Maybe N • C• double Aaacckkk

 

[DCDAVID]

Could not agree more.
It is baffling/disgusting that the hammer has not come down. Years of blatant academic fraud and the NCAA has not done ANYTHING.

 

[becauseIknow]

No conspiracy here. We went through this last month when the same topic came up.

In June of last year, the NCAA leveled the charges against UNC. They have the ability to respond to those charges. In August of last year, additional violations were reported, which delays the ruling. The expected punishments will be given out likely in May or June of this year. It is not a matter of if, but when.

In total, the school received five Level One violations, the worst possible violations charges. Fans must understand there is a process to these things, and that process is well underway and winding down to completion. UNC will get hammered by the NCAA, or UNC will hammer itself and the NCAA will sign off on it. Similar to what USC football had to endure, which set back USC considerably.

 

[rikki-tikka-tava]

Thanks for the input/perspective, apologies for resurrecting something so recently discussed at length. Still seems a rather byzantine and unresponsive process given the amount of time that has passed since the first allegations were leveled, and also that UNC intends to fight to the last to avoid/minimize any consequences.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Give it time. UNC is going to get blown up.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Thanks for the input/perspective, apologies for resurrecting something so recently discussed at length. Still seems a rather byzantine and unresponsive process given the amount of time that has passed since the first allegations were leveled, and also that UNC intends to fight to the last to avoid/minimize any consequences.

It actually hasn't been that long for this type of thing. It only seems like a long time because of how bad the allegations are and how much they were in the press. The odds that UNC doesn't get absolutely crushed with this are like a billion to one. This may end up being one of the strongest punishments the NCAA has ever handed down. Another reason for them to take their time and get it right.

 

[positiveHoosier]

It actually hasn't been that long for this type of thing. It only seems like a long time because of how bad the allegations are and how much they were in the press. The odds that UNC doesn't get absolutely crushed with this are like a billion to one. This may end up being one of the strongest punishments the NCAA has ever handed down. Another reason for them to take their time and get it right.

Even if this is the case, the NCAA will just review the case a few years later and rescind the punishment. That is the MO under Mark Emmert.

 

[Iudanapoint]

It actually hasn't been that long for this type of thing. It only seems like a long time because of how bad the allegations are and how much they were in the press. The odds that UNC doesn't get absolutely crushed with this are like a billion to one. This may end up being one of the strongest punishments the NCAA has ever handed down. Another reason for them to take their time and get it right.

This was originally referred to the NCAA in 2010 or 2011 (they originally declined to get involved, saying this was a larger university matter coincidental to the UNC athletics programs), so it's been put there for quite some time. Only the whistleblower's efforts caused this to come back into the NCAA's line of sight.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

I can't help but think that part of the NCAA's reluctance....and likewise UNC's eventual defense is that this is systemic and not isolated to UNC. This academic scamming will be found elsewhere and likely already has. Its very existence is more or less a stamp of approval. Its hidden in plain sight.

I think UNC will say that no effort to conceal is proof of innocence....so no intent to defraud can be proven. They will hang their hat on good intentions as they were accomodating ethnic and cultural values in education, etc...Never mind the worthlessness of the scam...and its impact on the raw material, the student athletes. That won't be the priority....it will be UNC's good intentions. Slap on the wrist coming, imo.

 

[pumpfake]

Brian Bosworth had it right.

 

[Optimist13]

NCAA moves along at the speed of a tortoise
on a good day.

 

[KopiKat]

As a Kentucky fan I find I am thankful to read the Indiana fan base call into indictment the outrageousness of zero accountability for the atrocious acts of decades long academic fraud at unc. Frankly, it is the moral responsibility of Indiana fans to do just that, as a cornerstone program, with rich history and tradition, 5 times a legitimate national champion, and so on. And while our rival programs can bitter and spit at one another in anticipation of what may or may not occur this weekend, hopefully one of us can beat the living snot out of that fraudulent program in the round of 16.

Personally, and I have written this, the unc fans deserve their right to be punished, deserve their right to prove they can survive the temporary suffering, and emerge from that with renewed dignity and a legitimate claim that the past is behind them, as that is the process that many have been made to follow. They are not "too good" for that. Good luck against "nooga" . . . still a little bitter y'all got James Jr. - lol - congrats on a successful season.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

This scandal covers two decades. Dean Smith was the BB coach when it started. Mack Brown was the football coach. There are over 1500 student athletes connected with the fraud. The fact that it is so widespread and dated reinforces my view that UNC will claim the NCAA's "implied consent".

 

[Cardban]

This is what every fan of every school should be "disgusted" about. IDK what could be done but somehow someway something needs to be done.

I wish Dakich would jump on this bandwagon. And until the DD's and Bilas' of the world start complaining about it regularly nothing will be done I'm afraid.

Jay Bilas would go against the NCAA if they did anything to NC. He said they shouldn't be investigating them

 

[ufo33]

Because NC is a cash cow to the NCAA. They will not touch them.

And IU was not a cash cow like UNC?
IU self reported.
And self punished? (Who else does that?)
Meanwhile UNC runs an intentional institutuonal fraud scheme for two decades.
No punishment by NCAA.

 

[IUPaterade724]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bdavidr...ituational-ethics-say-otherwise/#dcb3fae3bf22

So why is it that the NCAA,the ostensible moral/ethical compass for collegiate athletics, cannot bring itself to take action against North Carolina? How is it that the NC program is allowed to be ranked #1 in light of the organized academic fraud that was systematically instituted, abetted and subsequently documented at length, from on high in the university? How is it that NC's Team played in a lucrative bowl game this year? THERE IS NO WAY THAT THIS SCHOOL SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE NCAA TOURNEY THIS YEAR OR NEXT.

Really. IU self-reports a few dozen impermissible phone calls and gets burned to the ground while NC makes a travesty of all that college athletics and higher education are supposed to represent and yet remains frees from prosecution, penalty or punishment of any kind. There's been speculation that the NCAA is trying to protect Dean Smith's legacy or some such but if he was alive today and half the man he's reputed to have been he'd be out front calling for NC to self-penalize and take its lumps to restore honor to the University, college athletics and the national system of student athletics. NCAA President Mark Emmert was quoted in the second link below over three months ago that the investigative findings are "shocking" and "strikes at the heart of what higher education is about," yet NC remains effectively immune from punishment. NC's SYSTEM OF ACADEMIC FRAUD WAS IN PLACE FOR 18 YEARS since it was first reported OVER SIX YEARS AGO and yet the NCAA HAS DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. That's not justice - not anything other than a complete joke.

So much for a level playing field. Am thinking that NCAA doesn't stand for what I thought it did. Any ideas?

Notoriously Criminal Anti-Academics?
Never Contrite Athletic Apologists?
No Charges Against Anyone?
Not Always...??
Never Again...??

Example of one hell of lawyering.

 

[ufo33]

Example of one hell of lawyering.

IU needs to hire the entire UNC lawyer team and never self report anything ever again.

 

[VanPastorMan]

IU needs to hire the entire UNC lawyer team and never self report anything ever again.

I agree. There is a huge amount of injustice in the way the NCAA does things.

 

[Wall2Boogie]

Give it time. UNC is going to get blown up.

I hope you’re right, how they got away with the fake classes is bs. They should of received the death penalty

 

[jimmygoiu]

I hope you’re right, how they got away with the fake classes is bs. They should of received the death penalty

Eric Bledsoe approves this message. EB flunked Algebra 1, skipped Algebra 2, and then received an "A" in Algebra 3. UK accepted him and Cal played him.

 

[SIhoosier26]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bdavidr...ituational-ethics-say-otherwise/#dcb3fae3bf22

So why is it that the NCAA,the ostensible moral/ethical compass for collegiate athletics, cannot bring itself to take action against North Carolina? How is it that the NC program is allowed to be ranked #1 in light of the organized academic fraud that was systematically instituted, abetted and subsequently documented at length, from on high in the university? How is it that NC's Team played in a lucrative bowl game this year? THERE IS NO WAY THAT THIS SCHOOL SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE NCAA TOURNEY THIS YEAR OR NEXT.

Really. IU self-reports a few dozen impermissible phone calls and gets burned to the ground while NC makes a travesty of all that college athletics and higher education are supposed to represent and yet remains frees from prosecution, penalty or punishment of any kind. There's been speculation that the NCAA is trying to protect Dean Smith's legacy or some such but if he was alive today and half the man he's reputed to have been he'd be out front calling for NC to self-penalize and take its lumps to restore honor to the University, college athletics and the national system of student athletics. NCAA President Mark Emmert was quoted in the second link below over three months ago that the investigative findings are "shocking" and "strikes at the heart of what higher education is about," yet NC remains effectively immune from punishment. NC's SYSTEM OF ACADEMIC FRAUD WAS IN PLACE FOR 18 YEARS since it was first reported OVER SIX YEARS AGO and yet the NCAA HAS DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. That's not justice - not anything other than a complete joke.

So much for a level playing field. Am thinking that NCAA doesn't stand for what I thought it did. Any ideas?

Notoriously Criminal Anti-Academics?
Never Contrite Athletic Apologists?
No Charges Against Anyone?
Not Always...??
Never Again...??

Absolutely ridiculous, as long as Carolina skates free it makes anything they do to other schools irrelevant.

F*** the NCAA.

 

[IUPaterade724]

I thought I read where the courts deemed the NCAA unable to punish UNC on the basis of academic courses because it isn't in the scope of their purview.

 

[SIhoosier26]

Eric Bledsoe approves this message. EB flunked Algebra 1, skipped Algebra 2, and then received an "A" in Algebra 3. UK accepted him and Cal played him.

Not even close to the same thing, he may have had help from tutors/teachers that regular students don't get sure. But so does every major college student that plays on the basketball/football teams.

North Carolina has had fake classes in place for years, in that time they skated to 4 national championships. Not one of them is legitimate, f*** the NCAA.

 

[ufo33]

UNC runs an intentional institutional fraud scheme for 2 decades.
No punishment by the NCAA.
What a joke!
Lawyer Up!

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

I hope you’re right, how they got away with the fake classes is bs. They should of received the death penalty

It’s “should have,” not “should of.”

 

[birdforbogey]

It’s “should have,” not “should of.”

Maybe booger went to unc and flunked out.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Maybe booger went to unc and flunked out.

The funniest part about a UK fan whining about academics at another university is that I’ve never met one that cares at all about the “student” part of “student-athlete.”

 

[jimmygoiu]

Not even close to the same thing, he may have had help from tutors/teachers that regular students don't get sure. But so does every major college student that plays on the basketball/football teams.

North Carolina has had fake classes in place for years, in that time they skated to 4 national championships. Not one of them is legitimate, f*** the NCAA.

So you think that Bledsoe, after flunking Algebra 1, aced Algebra 3(100 times harder than A1), was legit? This was a high school class that EB "attended" the summer before attending UK. UK accepted the class, barely allowing EB to be eligible to attend the university, knowing that he skipped A2 after flunking A1. Tutors, extra help....C'mon now...

Check out EB interviews on YouTube-no way he aced Algebra 3.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

I don't know if the article covered this, but as I have spelled out here before; this was an ugly academic scandal that put a stain on the UNC legacy. What is wasn't is an NCAA violation. The classes were available to any UNC student that wanted a fake class for an automatic A. You can mock them for it, but you cant expect the NCAA to spank them.

 

[Wall2Boogie]

Eric Bledsoe approves this message. EB flunked Algebra 1, skipped Algebra 2, and then received an "A" in Algebra 3. UK accepted him and Cal played him.

In his defense, he was far beyond his years in math. The movie good will hunting is loosely based on his life

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

I don't know if the article covered this, but as I have spelled out here before; this was an ugly academic scandal that put a stain on the UNC legacy. What is wasn't is an NCAA violation. The classes were available to any UNC student that wanted a fake class for an automatic A. You can mock them for it, but you cant expect the NCAA to spank them.

Spot on.

The Accreditation organization is the one who dropped the ball - they thought, like most, the NCAA was going to drop the hammer on UNC. And they would have, but there was no bylaws that were broken.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Eric Bledsoe approves this message. EB flunked Algebra 1, skipped Algebra 2, and then received an "A" in Algebra 3. UK accepted him and Cal played him.

To be fair, he met KY's academic standard. Flunking a class at most other schools is a C at KY and skipping a class is a B.