Are you guys really just now noticing this? This has been going on for months. Since at least last summer. I just think it's funny that the cons jump on board with something that will screw over American workers in the long run.
This makes me feel a helluva lot better:
Great post! I am interested to see how some of our illustrious liberal posters respond. Obama's true colors are showing and it is not pretty - his narcissism and ego are all controlling.
He only has one style of (non)negotiation - he accuses those that disagree with him of playing politics (i.e. questions their motives) while his position is "the right thing to do" (i.e. his motives are pure). He does it over and over. Somehow he thinks this is effective at persuading others to do what he'd like to do (meeting them halfway and compromizing on something is also not in his tool box). Usually, he's questioning the motives of Republicans, but this time he's questioning the motives of Democrats. He essentially called Elizabeth Warren's opposition to TPP dishonest and based only on her being a politician playing politics. Although I think the President actually is supporting the right side of this issue, I don't believe it's much of an advantage to have him on the right side. I'd say no advantage, but he'll probably get a few Democratic sycophants in Congress to do what he wants them to do and vote to support this next time. Frankly, he's probably the worst President we've in my lifetime for actually being able to work with those that oppose him. We saw that even before he was President with the way he did things during his short time as a Senator. He forever burned bridges with a few Senators at the time for the way he worked with them - which was that he was a jerk. He's not done any better as President. He's continued to be a jerk in his style of dealing with those he disagrees with.
I think it's funny that Democrats oppose something that would be best for Americans over the long run. I support trade agreements because they're good for the economy and for Americans. I believe that you believe the opposite, but you're wrong. Unlike the President, I won't question your motives for opposing this - I just disagree with your opinion on what is best for American workers.
The most interesting and laughable dynamic to this issue comes from Elizabeth Warren who said we can't continue to run this country for the top 10%. I completely agree with her and her comment is pretty damning of Obama's Presidency.
Great Point. All you are hearing about is the fight and not exactly what they are fighting about. Who knows I might end up being a Democrat on this issue once I hear the reasons why they are against Obama. Or I might say the President has a point and I am for him. Anybody got the particulars on this?
Obama wants the ability to negotiate a trade agreement before presenting it to congress. In other words, let him negotiate the deal unilaterally and then have congress rubber stamp it when he's done. Not even his own people trust giving him that kind of authority.
Yeah, but you're also a blind conservative who spits out whatever corporate conservative media or corporate run conservative clubs (like the CoC) tell you to spit. You can save your arguments for your fellow zombies like Dave, CO, and Lodoga or whatever IronWorks is calling herself these days.
Says the blind partisan liberal. Funny stuff. You're often funny when you don't try to be. When you try, you fail miserably. You do realize that I'm agreeing with our President, the Commerce Department and the US Trade Commission on this subject - all Democrats or run by Democrats, right?
You should read this from Ira Shapiro, well known Democrat, who has worked for Democratic congressmen and served in the Clinton administration.
It has increased our exports to those countries from from $140 billion to $600 billion and if you put all our international trade agreements together, we actually have a trade surplus with all the involved countries when combined together. You're getting all your information from EPI which is funded by unions which all hate international trade and have protectionist/isolationist points of view. They're living in the past. Most liberal (except for the most liberal or union supported organizations), conservative and non-partisan experts support TPP. You will see this for yourself it you actually look. We cannot possibly leave Asia-Pacific region trade to China. We need to enter into a mutually beneficial agreement (TPP) that will protect all workers, improve environmental conditions and allow for increased prosperity on all sides. If the President based his support for this on his usual ideological basis, he'd agree with the most liberal of his party, the people who are reflexively anti-trade, like most unions are. The President supports it because he's listened to the experts and has come to the inevitable and correct conclusion that the TPP will be very good for America and Americans. Sometimes he's wrong about the effects of policies he supports, but he's right on this one.
No I don't. You'd know that if you read what I wrote, but you obviously didn't. I only initially linked them because their support for international trade is typical of most experts and trade minded organizations. I also mentioned several other sources and linked another and suggested you google for yourself instead of relying on the only source you've cited. You think the President, Secretary of Commerce, the US Trade Commission and the Democrats in Congress that have voted for TPA or will vote for TPA soon (it's not done) get all their information from the CoC? You think the President is pushing for TPP because he's wants more campaign donations when he's highly unlikely to ever run again. Among the biggest campaign contributors for Democrats are the unions so why are they supporting TPP? More than 95 percent of the potential buyers of products we manufacture live in countries other than the US. If you think we're going to be able to increase our trade with these buyers in the Asia-Pacific region without moving forward with TPP than you're thinking wrong. Again.
Amen! Narcissistic at its best!! "synonyms: vain, self-loving, self-admiring, self-absorbed, self-obsessed, conceited, self-centered, self-regarding, egotistic, egotistical, egoistic;"
Or maybe he has grown in his position and realizes that free trade is the future and Mercantilism is the past.
Does that surprise you? You are talking about a group of people who have Amebic brains:
Can anyone tell me why the bill can't be open and public. I do not understand why it has to be read in a private secure room. This is not a partisan question because both parties are allowing this to happen. Seems contrary to an open and free government.
