No, I don't know what it means. Is abortion wrong or not? Whatever your answer, what does responsibility have to do with it? Is the abortion of a fetus that results from a broken condom less of a sin than the abortion of a fetus that results from unprotected sex? Is the abortion of a fetus that results from rape even less of a sin? How in the world does the level of responsibility held by the woman for her own pregnancy weigh at all on whether or not an abortion is morally wrong?
Who's arguing against birth control? Even Catholic politicians that don't believe in using birth control aren't pushing for laws to prevent others from using birth control. Far as I know, no one is trying to legally ban birth control. There's certainly no fight about it, dumb or otherwise. What are you talking about?
No, I asked this series of questions because I don't buy the connection. If responsibility is the only issue, surely you must admit that getting an abortion is the responsible thing to do in many cases.
No, it's not. It's illegal to sell fetal tissue for profit. It's not illegal to donate it, and it's not illegal to charge nominal fees to help recoup costs. (42 USC 289g-2)
First, it was not being donated. Second, how do we know what profit was made or not made without a full investigation? Third, the lady is a douchebag. Her nonchalant, joking way she discussed it was pathetic.
First, yes, it was being donated.
Just a side note. My son and daughter-in-law had an ultrasound done at 6 weeks and guess what you can hear? The heartbeat.
The US Code I already cited above, at (e)(3):
C'mon Goat. Now that is taking liberty to say it is edited. There is no proof of that.
What? Of course it's edited. They don't even hide that fact. It's a shortened version of a two-hour conversation. And there's a lot more coming. PP officials told Congress this group might have hundreds of hours of tape. They'll probably keep editing a releasing them for a year.
I meant you are taking the liberty to assume it is edited to change what she was saying. From what I understand, they are going to release all of the tapes to show they were not altered to change what was said.
Well, the one they released last week came with the full version, and it was clearly deceptive. So why give them the benefit of the doubt on this one?
So then you don't think abortion itself is immoral, you just think using it irresponsibly is immoral?
No, you're ignorant:
We're having trouble communicating. You keep swinging back and forth on my to avoid my point. Let me state it clearly.
Okay, I'll buy that. Since you know abortion is going to be legal, you want to at least minimize it. (Actually, isn't that the Democratic party platform?)
Let me stop trying to get at your stance, and explain why I'm harping on these issues.
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I could tell. That's why I was trying to get you off the "responsibility" argument. I had this same conversation with my sister, who is also a clear #1. She tried to convince me that she just wanted women to take responsibility for their actions, and I explained to her that, if a woman can't afford to support a child, and that child is going to be on welfare, then getting an abortion is taking responsibility, and the only real objection she could have would be if she simply thought abortion was wrong, which she then admitted she did.
That's a good take on the moral dilemma. I already knew your opinion, though. Not because I can read your mind, but because you've told me before.Mine is a 4th
We have a good old fashioned moral dilemma.
1. There is absolutely no doubt that life begins at conception. It's not a partial life, It is not kinda life. It isn't potential life. It is life. Anybody who denies this are only rationalizing a position on abortion.
2. Any person is in control of their own body. This includes what goes in it, what is done with it, and what comes out of it. (I'm tempted here to take a whack at government health care, but I'll resist that temptation
Since you ALWAYS know what I am thinking notwithstanding what I write, you'll know that given the above moral dilemma, I will fall towards #2. Both alternatives can be seen as immoral, thus the dilemma. There is a point where #1 will take priority. I struggle with that one, a lot. But that isn't what PP selling fetal organs is about. FWIW, the most disgusting thing I heard on that tape was the doctor talking about a "17 weeker" as if it were a stool sample. That was not the result of editing. That shows the utter callousness of the PP officials.
I don't buy it. I think she's just a doctor talking like a doctor to other doctors. I'm sure that's not her bedside demeanor.
Whatever you say, but your criticism sounds to me essentially to be on the grounds that this abortion doctor doesn't talk like a pro-life activist. I'd call that weak sauce.
Watch it son. They had two miscarriages before this one and I was damn glad to hear a heartbeat at 6 weeks.
Said a guy who has no idea what he's talking about.
